Wow Esshup,that some thinking out of the box there.Think ill try that next year.I have two dual 9"in my pond one in the deep end and the other in the other side that I pull in for winter by walking to the end of the dock and using a 20' painting pole with a paint roller for a hook to fish out the line and drag it close to shore. Cecil my hole is about 6 to 8 foot. Just got a little nervous when it was below zero for days,and it was down to two feet.Bleeding off way more than half the air that I have.Going in to the negative temp here again in the up comming days.maybe i should make the hole bigger. Thanks for the pics.darn I love this site, have learned so much from all you Wise folks.