Great info Ted. Yes the OSU docs are dated. But I think except for some minor tweeks they still apply. I love the dye approach for coverage indicator. I'll experiment with your guidelines on shoreline plants I can't submerge. It is a lot trickier on that type of stand. I agree the timing and application method are crucial. The key is getting the most product down to the rhizome. I have so many stands I can do product trials all over the place. Thanks for the input.