Essup, I'm reading a bit on this and it says browns only get in the 8-14 inch range. These fish were in the 20-24 range. I'd really like to nail this down, because there were a ton of these guys in that lake and we were basically catching them at will using chicken liver, targeting a sharp drop off about 10 feet from the bank. Very active at night. Made no noise when handled if I recall correctly. Anymore insight would be great.