Originally Posted By: Greg Grimes
Also roach is the same as GSH right, south GA boys call them roaches as well.


Greg, I am not familiar with common names for GSH down there, but there are two separate species not the GSH, both from Europe which have been introduced sporadically in North America. One by the name of common rudd (Scardinius erythrophthalmus):

Juvenile Rudd


Adult Rudd


This fish species is CLOSELY related to the GSH, so close that they will hybridize in the wild when found together which concerns biologists who are afraid it will mess up the genetic integrity of our native GSH. I have caught them in the wild while seining in the Potomac River. I sent a specimen to the USGS and flipped them out as they had no record of them in there before...


And then also a species known as the common roach (Rutilus rutilus):





If that is a rudd or loach in that picture and not a GSH, it would be interesting to see where it originated from?

 Originally Posted By: Greg Grimes
cj yes they do have chubsuckers in the lake, we got them up by in the main feeder creek.


Greg, are the creek chubsuckers or lake chubsuckers or both? Both species are found in that region of the country, which is why I am curious...