Brettski, I've been meaning to call you regarding how our organization might grow. As you know, a group, or an association, is destined to die if there is no new membership.
I know I speak for rmedgar, Fatty McB., and myself when I say that none of us are comfortable in executing the initiating ritual, or trail (no spelling error there) by fire as it may be, on a prospective future member, especially as we are all members not by choice but by circumstance.