I remember that softening bit Bill, I have caught 3 inchers 4 incher and fish nearly 6 inches long, my main goal is to get a number of the 3 inchers for feed training provided they aren't 2 year olds. I still plan to buy feed trained fish and have them in a cage side by side to these fish and monitor progress of both, it will be a cage match so to speak, but this will be after my dock is built int he spring.