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#497470 - 10/14/18 10:17 AM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
jpsdad Offline


Registered: 05/20/18
Posts: 237
Loc: Texas
I agree with John. This LMB looks healthy. LMB between the sizes of 6" and 10" tend have more forage available to them. They get first crack at the YOY BG.


Edited by jpsdad (10/14/18 10:48 AM)

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#497474 - 10/14/18 12:22 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
Now that I have really though about what I have been catching and doing a lot more reading I will be getting pictures of what we catch and post them up. Hope to get back to fishing there before it gets too cold. I have been spending all my time down there working on expanding the pond. The reason I originally thought it was LMB overpopulated was cause I was catching lots of LMB and no small BG or GSF. I would catch some nice BG in the 8" range. One other thing that made me think that there was a problem with small BG was when I would kill one of those horseflies and throw it in the pond it would almost be eaten immediately and I noticed a few yrs ago that while bushhogging and throw one in that nothing would happen. So I figured that the small fish around the edge was just not there like before. Now I have started a journal to keep records about the pond so I will start getting pictures and keeping better records than just in my head. Thanks for the responses. One other thing might be the CC that are in the pond are now getting pretty large and we have been taking them out as we catch them this year. Maybe the large CC have been taking out the small BG and not so much the LMB doing it.
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Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
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#497475 - 10/14/18 02:51 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
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Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 5282
Loc: SE Kansas
If you are catching lots of small LMB like the one in the picture and few small and medium size BG then it sounds like you need to be removing lots of small bass. They are wiping out your BG spawn before the BG reach any size most likely.

You could also add some fairly dense cover like cedar trees around spawning areas to give some protection for the BG fry and fingerlings so they can get bigger.
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#497491 - 10/15/18 09:33 AM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
Thanks John for the response. That's what I was thinking after I started reading several yrs ago. Everything I read was saying that LMB overpopulating was very common especially in ponds that have been neglected like mine has been for yrs. I also think that I need to continue to take out CC since they are getting pretty good size and they may be eating up small BG.
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1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
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#497503 - 10/15/18 11:10 AM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
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Loc: SE Kansas
We ended up with the opposite problem in our main pond, not enough LMB so the BG got carried away with themselves. I will say that I had put lots of cover for them (very little around the edge but I put lots out in the middle of the pond) and plenty of spawning area so that may have been part of the problem. I think I have that problem solved now by raising up a bunch of LMB fingerlings to 8-14" in another pond and transferring them to the main pond where the problem is. I'm already seeing the young bass whooping up on the smaller BG around the edge of the pond.

We also have CC in our pond and actually have recruitment in all year classes. I suspect once our LMB numbers are up to speed the CC recruitment may stop but that is ok too. We enjoy the CC and harvest lots each year (just cleaned a 2+ pounder last night). Our preferred size to catch them is in the 2-3# range. I do not like to see them getting bigger than about 3#. We fish mostly for pan fish so do not really care about having fish of any specie larger than that. A big LMB for our friends to catch once in a while would be ok but not a requirement.


Edited by snrub (10/15/18 11:15 AM)
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#497514 - 10/15/18 01:05 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
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Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
I haven't seen any young CC or BH in my pond except some YOY BH back during the summer swimming in a wad about he size of a basketball in the edge by where I was fishing. I have put out 5gal buckets for the CC to spawn in with hopes of getting them started. The CC we have been catching I think are all some we put in over the past several yrs. Also the CC don't really hit the chicken livers or worms for that matter. I have caught them on GSH.
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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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#497597 - 10/17/18 10:39 AM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
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Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
Some before and after pictures of trees cut down on the east side. The trees were where the shoreline was before I moved the spillway up. The water level still lacks about a foot till full flood.


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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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#497987 - 10/27/18 08:41 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
Finally got to go fishing this afternoon. Caught 8 LMB All were small. 2 @ 7 1/2" 3@ 8" 1@ 8 1/2" and 2@ 9" My scale is not a digital one but one of those cheep hang up kind. So I weighed the total of all the fish and it was 2 lbs. Pretty small. I was fishing with GSH. Had a few more that got off. Didn't see any little ones around the shallows like I have been but it has cooled off. We had some lows in the 40s last week and today was in the 70s. Might give it a try again tomorrow if my minners don't die on me.


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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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#498023 - 10/28/18 10:39 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
Went back again today. Minnows survived the night so I got to try em again. Caught a lot more little ones but did catch this 14" and 11" LMB. Caught 2 @7" 3 @71/2" and 1 @91/2" The 14" did weigh on my scale at 1 lbs. and the 11" weighed about 1/2 lbs. Total weight of all caught was 3 1/2 lbs. I think these are pretty underweight. They look long and skinny. What do yall think? I still think I need to be taking out all the lmb that I catch.


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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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#498037 - 10/29/18 01:36 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
Quarter Acre Offline


Registered: 06/10/16
Posts: 856
Loc: West Central Missouri
They do look to be thin. Look up relative weights for lmb and you'll get a better idea, especially if you get a better way of weighing them. They do not look to be too thin, however. Most pond's lmb tend to be 80 to 90% RW, IIRC. I would leave the lmb if you are trying to develop a BG pond, but if lmb are your goal them I'd say you need to make some room in the pond.
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#498214 - 11/01/18 11:20 AM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
Well after the 3" rain last night the pond is full.


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Description: Water running out the spillway.

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Description: Looking across pond from east side. It's full.

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Description: Before and after comparison of fishing dock

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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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#498720 - 11/15/18 09:53 AM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
I don't think the fish are biting this morning.


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Description: Had about a 3" snow yesterday. Kinda unusual for here in mid Nov.




Edited by bigpullerman (11/15/18 09:55 AM)
Edit Reason: forgot to add picture
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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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#498861 - 11/20/18 08:06 AM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
I have been doing a lot of research on this forum. I have over 400 different threads that I plan on reading over the winter. Lots of good info I expect to get out of these threads to answer the questions I have about managing my pond. We are really fortunate to have such a great resource with all the expert moderators that are available to answer the questions we all have. I have put on my Christmas list for a subscription to the Pond Boss magazine.
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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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#498879 - 11/21/18 01:25 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
After doing some reading here and at other resources I have come to some conclusions. 1 I really believe my pond to be overrun with LMB. 2 I think that the CC I have in here are also a problem as they have become a large predator. The ones we are catching are around 3lbs. 3 I used to have crappie (don't remember of white or black) but have not caught one since summer of 2017 so I would say that they are gone or not many around. I guess they lost out to the LMB. 4 I don't catch BG or GSF like I used to even though I have been bucket stocking them pretty regular for the past 4 yrs. What I have put in were 2 to 6 inch size. Some even larger. Now I have not fished for them but I would get some hitting the minnows I used to fish for the LMB. 5 We have put BH in the pond ever since it was built over 20 yrs ago and I have yet to catch one. Now I did see a cloud of fry this past summer so I believe there are some in there.
Now here is what I have done and plan on doing to improve my pond.
1 Expanded pond size to a little over an acre. I did that this summer and will continue to make it bigger. It won't be any deeper, I have maxed out on my levee and fishing dock as far as dept.
2 Fish hard for the LMB and CC so I can reduce their numbers to give the BG a chance.
3 Continue to add BG and GSF and not keep any till I start catching some of all sizes.
4 Work on some more brushpiles to help out the little fish.
5 Started a journal to keep up with fish caught and put in the pond along with any observations.
6 I want to add some RES to the mix but I have got to find larger sizes cause of the LMB
My goals for the pond are to have a fairly balanced pond to where I can go and catch BG GSF LMB and CC. I want the grandkids to be able to catch something about every time we go out. Now my priorities might change over the years because some of those monster BG look pretty good. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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#498880 - 11/21/18 04:00 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
Quarter Acre Offline


Registered: 06/10/16
Posts: 856
Loc: West Central Missouri
I think you are the right track for your goals. I would bet that your brush-pile efforts are very important and waging war on those large LMB and CC is the most important. 3 pound predators can really eat some big BG. Get the 3 pounders out and get as many big pan fish in there as you can. This way your 2 pounders can continue to grow if you can get a good population of pan-fish breeding.

It's funny how 3 pound fish can be perceived as a problem!

And, the solution is to fish hard!

Such a terrible problem to have! wink
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#498884 - 11/21/18 10:52 PM Re: My pond full of outcast [Re: bigpullerman]
bigpullerman Offline


Registered: 12/01/15
Posts: 56
Loc: central Arkansas
Thanks Noel
The thing is the CC we caught this year was all on GSH. That kinda tells me that they are chasing fish. I had tried some catfish baits and didn't even get a nibble. I am really thinking next year about doing some trotlining. I should have my boat fixed by then. I am also thinking that I need to use some GSF under a bobber to catch the bigger LMB. I have a spot I can get them easily.
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Nothing like seeing your bobber bobbing.
1 acre pond with LMB BG GSF BH CC and whatever else I can find
Not after trophies I just like catching and eating fish
Buddy R Hill

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