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#88761 - 06/02/07 11:13 AM The Pond Barge Saga
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Though I have been thinking about this for a long time (remember Slave Dog ), this is the beginning of the actual construction phase.

Basic overhead diagram of the project.


The floats are 24”X48”-12” and have 400 pounds of buoyancy each. 2 are for the ramp and 8 are for the barge.



The framing is 2” x 4” 14 gauge steel tubing.

The frame and deck will be coated with Durabak for weather protection and easy spray down after the inevitable roosting bird dropping scenario and other messes.

Stay tuned for furthur developments.


Edited by Dwight (02/24/08 03:03 PM)
Edit Reason: Fixed the Slave Dog link again!

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#88762 - 06/02/07 11:31 AM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Looks good!!! I want a floating dock so I can't wait to see it.

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#88763 - 06/02/07 11:44 AM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Dwight I can't speak for the floatation devices you have but my floater dock was built with plastic barrels. It is 10x10 and has a 4x16 walkout. I didn't put any floatation in the walk out. I see you are going too very wise. My dock sets at a angle until you walk out on it because of the weight of the walk out. If I were to do it again I would have built the dock portion longer to overcome this. As in your case if I was doing it again I would put the 16 ft longways out into the pond and the 8 ft as the width. Besides when the water level drops you'll be in deeper water with the dock long ways. Just my opinion based on my on experience. She looks good keep us posted.
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#88764 - 06/02/07 01:17 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Dwight,
Just a couple of thoughts, though I bet they have already crossed your gunsights.
I presume the ramp will be hinged for vertical changes as the water level varies. Will there be adjustments required at the length of the diagonal stand-off brace since it will be dropping (or rising) at a different rate than the main ramp?
All the tubing ends will have to be welded shut to keep out moisture. I was once told by a trailer manufacturer that this is why channel is preferred for their product.
When I saw your diagram, I did a double take. I am already thinking about a nearly identical design as an addition to the deck we are already working on. Then I start looking at used 18' pontoon boats.
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#88765 - 06/02/07 02:14 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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FYI there is another way to stablize the side to side moverment. You can drive pipe down beside the deck and lagbolt a next size dia U-strap around it. I used 1-1/2 galv electrical conduit from lowes with 2 inch straps. The deck slides up and down when water level falls or rises. The pipe sticking up about 3 ft from deck surface makes good rod holders for fishing too.
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#88766 - 06/02/07 03:33 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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#88767 - 06/02/07 04:49 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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rockytopper – The barge itself can be parked lengthwise or as it is in the diagram.

The ramp is really just a small dock that the barge ties off to when not in use for fishing, hauling stuff around the pond, or just cruising for relaxation. Think of the barge as a sort of pontoon boat. It will have a trolling motor and fishing seats etc.

Brettski – Good comment on open tubing ends being bad news. That is a lesson I learned early on when I worked for my Dad at his machine shop many moons ago.

The diagonal and the ramp itself will be hinged to follow the water level. I plan on them being hinged on the same horizontal and vertical plane so that adjustments of the diagonal shouldn’t be needed. I do have a ball type mount in mind for where the diagonal attaches to the ramp, just in case.

I considered a used pontoon with modifications as well. I wanted to be closer to the water then any pontoon I looked at. That is why I went with the 12 inch high floats instead of something taller.

Your “double take” is further evidence of the “great minds think a like” theory. ;\)

Theo Gallus – DMD, Diet Mogan David?
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#88768 - 06/02/07 05:05 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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#88769 - 06/02/07 05:12 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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This is my shop where I am building the pond barge.

I built some new shelves because I needed more horizontal surfaces to fill with stuff. Then I decided to do a thorough cleaning and get rid of stuff I hadn’t touched for 10 years or longer. Now I have a ton on horizontal to work with!

Gail said I should have painted the walls, ceiling, and coated the floor. I have little patience for such things, especially in a shop where welding and cutting is a common occurrence.

Here are some photos. Please notice the nice Beer Fridge.


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#88770 - 06/02/07 05:36 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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#88771 - 06/02/07 05:37 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Theo - A glimpse into a man's fridge is a glimpse into his soul. Now I understand!
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#88772 - 06/02/07 09:12 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Dwight,

What are you going to use for decking material? Have you had any prior experience with Durabak?

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#88773 - 06/02/07 11:19 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Dwight we have a barge (no ramp) much like your pic but with 2x8. Same size. It is very heavy. We can not take it out of the water but that is not a problem for us. We use it for an anchored swim platform out from the pier and as a work barge powered by paddles or trolling motor. Works great for many tasks. Will the ice effect yours or do you plan to pull it out? \:D
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#88774 - 06/03/07 10:12 AM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Dwight forgive my ignorance I didn't realize it was mobile. Sweet. Please send pic's of the cressoning. On this forum bottled beer is acceptable. \:\)
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#88775 - 06/03/07 10:25 AM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Wow Dwight, great workshop! Two welding rigs, a huge air compressor, hand tools a plenty on peg board no less, a lap top computer, the requisite "box o rags", a fridge. Dang if I lived near you I'd come over to help you with projects just for the right to hang out in your workshop!
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#88776 - 06/03/07 01:41 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Brettski -

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They need an eBay ReHab Center to teach us how to avoid these traps! :p

Russ -

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What are you going to use for decking material? Have you had any prior experience with Durabak?
I used that treated laminate that they build wood basements out of for a trailer bed. After 20 years, it is still undaunted by the weather. With that proven record, I am planning on using that for the barge decking.

I have seen Durabak used in pickup beds and trailer beds that have had some rough use. It is tough stuff.

ewest –

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Dwight we have a barge (no ramp) much like your pic but with 2x8. Same size. It is very heavy. We can not take it out of the water but that is not a problem for us. We use it for an anchored swim platform out from the pier and as a work barge powered by paddles or trolling motor. Works great for many tasks. Will the ice effect yours or do you plan to pull it out?
The circulator/aerator from the “Slave Dog” post will be used to keep it in open water during the winter. The float manufacturer also says the floats are unaffected by being frozen into the ice. I tend to believe that claim since there are a lot of floating docks and fishing piers around here that are frozen in all winter with no apparent negative affect. In any case, I will be using the circulator to keep her in open water.

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Dwight forgive my ignorance I didn't realize it was mobile. Sweet. Please send pic's of the cressoning. On this forum bottled beer is acceptable.
Beer is in the Beer Fridge, though I imagine there will be a few rotated in and out of there before we get to christening day! ;\)

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Wow Dwight, great workshop! Two welding rigs, a huge air compressor, hand tools a plenty on peg board no less, a lap top computer, the requisite "box o rags", a fridge. Dang if I lived near you I'd come over to help you with projects just for the right to hang out in your workshop!
Thanks, Jeff.

The shop is 30 years old this year. My friend Tom and I built it and as a first construction project it has a few flaws. It is still standing and fully usable, so I guess we did ok.

Many of the hand tools date back 40 years. Buy high quality tools and with a little care, they will be friends for life!
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#88777 - 06/05/07 08:20 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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ewest – Is your barge made with 2x8 wood? I calculated my design as fairly light in weight using 2x4 14 gauge tubing. Do you have a photo?
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#88778 - 06/07/07 06:54 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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These are photos of the wave action in the pond barge location with sustained southwest 40-55 mph winds today. A southwest wind is the worst case scenario for wind pressure and wave action against the barge and ramp.


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According to my calculations 3,000 pounds of concrete holding the three ramp hinge mounts (they are mounted on 2 inch schedule 40 pipe driven 4 feet down into the ground) should be adequate to resist the wind and wave pressure with a 50 mph wind from the southwest.

I plan on using a 2 yards of concrete for the pad/bunker to anchor the three hinge mounts. That is approximately 8,000 pounds of concrete.

I am no engineer, so if there is someone on the forum that has any input on this, I would be grateful to hear from you.
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#88779 - 06/27/07 10:24 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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240 feet of rectangular tubing is coming in on Friday.

Up to this point is has been mostly preparations, and oh, I did go fishing UP NORT (Minnesota Speak) for a week.

Check out that life ring that Michele and Paul got me for my birthday.

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#88780 - 06/28/07 01:13 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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I like the life ring!
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#88781 - 06/28/07 01:39 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Dwight sorry. I thought I posted this earlier. That PFD will look good on the "LIFE IS GOOD BARGE ". \:D


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#88782 - 06/28/07 09:42 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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This evening I hooked up my rough cut mower to the Mule and backed down the bank many times to remove the weeds, willows, etc. that are in the area where the barge and accessories will be located. I cut a 50 foot wide area down to the water so I will have plenty of room to work.

I have to admit that the sound of the rough cut blades getting in the water is a sound I have never experienced. Water is a powerful thing. When the blades start churning water you know it is time to pull out and take a new bite or a restart of the mower will be in order.



Even after all of the racket I made on the bank and waters edge, as I was observing my handiwork, I saw hundreds of fish. The smaller ones will not be apparent in these photos, but......



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#88783 - 06/28/07 11:18 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Dang, I think those photos are great! I can easily identify the BG and LMB. Nice nests.
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#88784 - 06/29/07 09:22 AM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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Bruce Condello - I am really pleased with the numbers of current year BG and LMB. There are thousands of them. It is impossible (for me anyway)to get a photo of them.
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#88785 - 07/06/07 09:52 PM Re: The Pond Barge Saga
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This is what 240 feet of 2”x 4” rectangular tubing looks like in the shop on the floor. It took two weeks to get it here because the 14 gauge wall thickness comes directly from the foundry. Under the tubing lies 100 feet of 1/8” x 6” flat.


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