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Hybrid Striped Bass History

The history of Hybrid Striped Bass is very interesting to me, and I wanted to share a few paragraphs from the book listed below for those that may be interested, which in turn necessitates a review of the Striped Bass history in North America.

The following review is based on historical references from:

CULTURE AND PROPAGATION OF STRIPED BASS AND ITS HYBRIDS
Edited by
Reginal M. Harrell
Jerome Howard Kirby
R. Vernon Minton
American Fisheries Society

Chapter 11, page 159
Hybridization, Genetic manipulation, and Gene Pool Conservation of striped Bass

“R.E. Stevens produced the first hybrids between female striped bass and male white bass (SBxWB) in South Carolina in 1965 (Bishop 1968). It has since been demonstrated the striped bass hybrids show heterosis (hybrid vigor), expressed in improved survival, superior early growth rates, greater disease resistance, and increased general hardiness………..

As a result, this hybrid has been artificially propagated and widely stocked in freshwater impoundments for control of shad (Dorosoma spp.) and as a food and sport fish. More recently, the reciprocal of the original cross, female white bass x male striped bass (WBxSB) has been used similarly, and its popularity with management biologists and commercial aquaculturists has increased dramatically over the past few years.

Chapter 1, page 1
History and Overview of Striped Bass Culture and Management

Striped Bass have long been utilized as food, and more recently as a superb sport fish and commercially cultured product. The Massachusetts Bay Colony passed the first legislation in Colonial America to protect a fish species in 1639, when the use of striped bass as fertilizer was prohibited. A tax was levied on the striped bass fishery in 1670 that partially funded the establishment of the first public schools in the new World (Setzler et al. 1980). Antropogenic effects on this species in terms of excessive harvest, destruction of habitat, and pollution have been discussed in literature for more than 100 years Worth 1884; Raney et al. 1952; Mansueti 1962; Coutant 1985a; Goodyear 1985; Price et al. 1985). In recent years antropogenic influences have likely been responsible for dramatic declines in several of the largest coastal populations, most notably Chesapeake Bay and Albermarle Sound (Mehrle et al. 1982)

Striped Bass have been considered desirable for transfer to other areas since they were first successfully introduced to the Pacific coast. In 1879 and 1881, 435 yearling fish were seined from the Navesink and Shrewbury Rivers in New Jersey, transported across the country by train, and released in San Francisco Bay. Within 10 years, an important fishery had developed in central California (Rainey et al. 1952). this population subsequently expanded from southern California to the Columbia River in Oregon.……………..

Inland striped bass programs grew rapidly following the development of culture methodology and facilities, and seven striped bass fisheries had been established in impoundments by 1970, and 23 by 1973 (Bailey 1975). By 1981, striped bass fisheries were established in 100 lakes and reservoirs with a total area slightly greater than 2.4 million acres, while hybrid bass fisheries were present in 179 impoundments (Axon and Whitehurst 1985). Inland striped bass and hybrid programs increased from two established fisheries, which totaled 210,000 acres in the mid-1950s, to 279 lakes (3,953,600 acres) in 1981. Crude estimates indicated these fisheries were yielding annual recreational harvests of over 5.5 million pounds of striped bass and hybrids by 1981.”

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I nominate for Archive status. Anyone second?


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Second, but I'd like to see George be able to add to the post later. If he wants to send additions as he see fit, to me, I'll add them on.


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I move to add this thread as a link under Bruce's HSB fish intro. Best of both worlds. I will do and later remove my post here.
















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Outstanding post and fish, George. Does anyone know what the food conversion efficiency is for HSB?


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How big is the hybrid in the picture and where did it come from? How old is it?

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Originally posted by burgermeister:
Outstanding post and fish, George. Does anyone know what the food conversion efficiency is for HSB?
Burger - According to SRAC - Hybrid Striped Bass -Pond Production of Foodfish:

"The feeding rate should be around 1 percent of body weight per day. Food conversion ratios of 2 to 1 or less are expected."

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Those rates are for fish up to 225 g -- 1/2lb. Lets see if this chart will work.


















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 Quote:
Originally posted by james holt:
How big is the hybrid in the picture and .where did it come from? How old is it?
James, this is the "best" specimen HSB photo I have in my photo file, and I don't have a credit for it. Background looks like a shocking boat

HSB photo below is 13#8oz -I took the picture. \:D
Striper is 19 lbs. - photo credit D. Glazener



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Those are excellent fish. If I ever catch a twenty pounder or better I would like to mount it. Seeing these large fish makes me wonder what the limit is for a hybrid bass in a pond. Does anyone know what the record is?

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Those are excellent fish. If I ever catch a twenty pounder or better I would like to mount it. Seeing these large fish makes me wonder what the limit is for a hybrid bass in a pond. Does anyone know what the record is?
James, google TP&WL private waters HSB record.
If I recall correctly, in Texas it's a few ounces over 5lbs...
Go for it..

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George, Meadowlark, & Holt may be ahead of me now...but my Spring 2005 class is over 2 lbs already, I will be throwing my "hat" into the Texas record challenge when my HSB are 4 years old \:\) If they top the 5 lb mark before me, and my threadfins survive, I'll wait 3 years and try to clip them at 8 LBS. \:D

Consider that a warning shot fired across the bow boys !

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Does anyone have any tidbits of info. as to why some HSB have solid horizontal black bars/stripes while others have their stripes jumbled up like some bad binary code?

Reference the first and second photos in the beginning of this thread.


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"She took another microscopic bite of her sandwich, then pushed it away. Maybe she absorbed nutrients from her surroundings."

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Sunil - The horizontal striping is solid lines on the striped bass and the hybrids have broken lines - jumbled as you call them. The fish in the photo with solid lines is a striped bass not a hybrid. Also note that the striped bass is typically a more slender bodied fish than a HSB.


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Any moderator can move items into Archives - correct? Theo, if you like it copy it to archives.


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Bill that is correct. But no one else can add to the thread once it is archived and posting on going discussions in the archives is not its design. I added the link to Bruce's HSB pond fish archive so the thread won't get lost. As editor of the archives it is your call Bill.
















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I had not noted the captions for the first two pics. Thanks Bill.


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Originally posted by Eastland:
George, Meadowlark, & Holt may be ahead of me now...but my Spring 2005 class is over 2 lbs already, I will be throwing my "hat" into the Texas record challenge when my HSB are 4 years old \:\) If they top the 5 lb mark before me, and my threadfins survive, I'll wait 3 years and try to clip them at 8 LBS. \:D

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Originally posted by Bill Cody:
Sunil - The horizontal striping is solid lines on the striped bass and the hybrids have broken lines - jumbled as you call them. The fish in the photo with solid lines is a striped bass not a hybrid. Also note that the striped bass is typically a more slender bodied fish than a HSB.
Fished Lake Texoma this morning.
Really great morning on the water – air temp 62 degrees – water 50.
Several nice stripers and a smallie.

Note broken stripes on SB, similar to HSB but definitely a striper of questionable parentage.

SMB photo a bonus for PB smallie lovers out there – since off topic I will delete after a short period. \:\)





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George -- do you have a length measurement on that smallie? Very nice fish, nice color, and nice fins.


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George leave the pics up for a while. Thanks.

What do you think about the possibility of it being a result of a HSB backcross with a SB ?
















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George -- do you have a length measurement on that smallie? Very nice fish, nice color, and nice fins.
Dr. Willis, I plead ignorance for not documenting.
Not unusual to catch 4lb class SMB.

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That smallmouth is outstanding.


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George leave the pics up for a while. Thanks.

What do you think about the possibility of it being a result of a HSB backcross with a SB ?
Eric, it has to be a backcross or some sort of confused genetics.

The broken stripes are not that uncommon, but with in-breeding from SB that were introduced into Lake Texoma in the ‘60’s, anything is possible.

TP&W biologists tell me that HSB have never been stocked in the lake, but I’ve caught several. May have come over a dam somewhere upstream, or natural spawn?

Texoma is one of the few lakes in the country that have prolific natural SB spawns, and most years there is little to no current to support the literature that insists there has to be a current to support the eggs.

My opinion is that the brackish lake water increases the density causing increased flotation?

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George, I see no need to remove the smallie pic. It's great!

But don't be surprised if my face somehow mysteriously appears superimposed over your face.

I don't know who would do such a thing, but it happens.

You've got another Shinerbock coming.


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