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CLICK! The relay finally connects in Theo's brain.
Big male BG = big earflaps = great big stay the heck out of my nest symbol!
(With RES, large & vibrantly colored red ear margins - that, I've seen myself.)
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Hi. My name is E-24. My master had high hopes for me. I'm really tall. I eat like crazy. But now my owner has decided to take me out of the program. My owner found me guarding a nest. I'm only 54 weeks old and I should probably be out playing with my friends. I look like a really nice fish from up close, but my owner doesn't like the way I matured really quick. He also hates the way I'm proportioned. I'm like that 7 foot tall NBA player who can't jump. Here's my bigger picture and you can probably see why I'm being retired. Hi. My name is E-26. My owner found me out swimming in the middle of the pond. All I really want to do is eat. I don't really care about girls yet. My owner thinks I have nice, normal bluegill proportions. I'm destined for a life of luxury, and will eventually be put with some big, fat pretty girls, but only when I'm ready. Probably next year.
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He also hates the way I'm proportioned. I'm like that 7 foot tall NBA player who can't jump. Here's my bigger picture and you can probably see why I'm being retired. Bruce - please elaborate..... Beautiful CSBG...
N.E. Texas 2 acre and 1/4 acre ponds Original george #173 (22 June 2002)
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He's so tall, yet there's something disproportional about him that's not just from great nutrition. I'm not sure I'd call him deformed, but close to it.
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Is he really that short (head to tail), or is he just incredibly tall (top to bottom)?
Let us know if he tastes funny.
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Bruce, most of our CNBG are “round”… I thought this was a good trait... You would prefer ths one - right? :rolleyes:
N.E. Texas 2 acre and 1/4 acre ponds Original george #173 (22 June 2002)
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Yours look like they're round because they're incredibly healthy, and it seems to be a coppernose trait.
This fish of mine I think was round because part of him was maturing and another part wasn't. He just looked different in a way I didn't like. He's got his own pond now, with some other rejects, so we'll see how he looks next year, and the year after that. Maybe he could apply for reinstatement.
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Can I borrow this "stud" for our Arkansas CNBG pool pond? I'll pick up and return...
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Bruce, Different fin strokes for different folks but I know taxidermists that would have an orgasm over E-24 and pay big bucks for a fish proportioned that way if he got to at least a pound. I sure wouldn't pitch him. I'd just put him in an alternative therapy pond for sex addicts. (All male monastery .) Although early maturation is considered a negative, I'm not so sure these fish are doomed to be small fish albeit they my not get as big as the fish that don't mature early. My yellow perch females produce eggs at only 1 year of age, but yet they end up becoming quite large. But then again maybe the dynamics of yellow perch are different then bluegill.
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E-26 already outweighs E-24 by about a third. He's a machine. I think they'll both get to a pound for sure unless I really do somtin toopid. ....and yes, E-24 went into the monestary. We also call it The Pen.
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Bruce given the nature of your program of genetic selection I think the following from the now deceased Jonnie Cochran would be applicable :
If you don't like the trait Then they should be bait ,
It you don't like the look Then you must give em the hook
If they don't seem to fit Then you must not acquit , cause they not legit.
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Originally posted by ewest: Bruce given the nature of your program of genetic selection I think the following from the now deceased Jonnie Cochran would be applicable :
If you don't like the trait Then they should be bait ,
It you don't like the look Then you must give em the hook
If they don't seem to fit Then you must not acquit , cause they not legit. I like it!
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Is that country, or rap?
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bruce, my reaction is not very scientific, nor do i have any qualifications as such, however.........he(E-24)just reminds me of a short guy with a big ol belly.....he (E-24) looks not only wildly successful at the kitchen table, but he likely plugs a 12 pack of regular MD a night and plays video games all day. his problem is that he's packin a 5' frame instead of a 6' frame.
edited post....i forgot to mention.....incredible pic ewest...
george, yer fish give me nightmares. somebody call Ripley.
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Anybody remember what thread I posted the Aquavue bluegill video on? I can't find the dang thing!
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The bluegill we've been discussing are now age-1 (67 weeks) and fully capable of reproduction. I can also identify with virtual certainly male vs. female characteristics. These fish have pulled off a monumental spawn in a lined pond. Go figure. I caught, by angling, 30 of the 100 that were put in the lined pond and put them in a larger 450 gallon tank. I hope to eventually return at least 80 of the fish indoors to fatten up over the winter. I'll get some good pictures of the fish if any one is interested. I weighed and measured eight of the fish and found the following averages: 202 mm was the average length 250 g. was the average weight The average Wr is 137 I thought this was really good growth for this point in their development. The largest fish was 214 mm and weighed 316 g. This yielded a Wr of 140. The fish with the highest Wr was 190 mm and 247 g for a Wr of 162. This is the highest Wr I've ever seen. The lightest fish I caught weighed 170 g.
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Bruce - Great results - thanks for the update. I'm close to checking on the growth of your Condello BG that have been growing in a cage all summer. I'll post results when I transfer them to a holding cage for winter.
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40 lbs of BG in a 450 gal tank. With some growth that will be a full tank by spring. Keep that filter system/water exchange working.
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Actually, last winter these same fish were jammed into a 150 gallon tank and weighed a total of 16 pounds so my ratio is a little better.
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Bruce, Like I said in an email response to you I think you are just scratching the surface on what bluegills can do with selective breeding and domestication on artifical feed. Considering no one else that I know of is selectively breeding bluegills, and considering the chickens we had when I was a kid that grew so fast their legs couldn't support their weight... well you get my drift. And what's cool is we don't have to worry about those gills that are really heavy not being able to walk. I predict a 1 lb. bluegills in a year one of these days will not be unusual.
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Bruce, can you give those relative weights in English units instead of metric?
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Bruce,
...I think you are just scratching the surface on what bluegills can do with selective breeding and domestication on artifical feed... I'm on board with you on that Cecil. I've been frustrated for years with only voodoo hybridizing to enhance BG size and growth rate. Lepomis was custom made for rapid selective breeding. Aside from the fruit fly and nematodes, I can't think of a better subject. They reproduce in a year, lay 1000's of eggs, and eat like pigs. I bet average size and growth rate could be increased tremendously in only 10-15 generations, with good reliability. All you need is a half dozen ponds and a lot of determination. I'm a little short on ponds.
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Bruce, can you give those relative weights in English units instead of metric? Wr 137 would be the equivalent of 71 PRU's or Portuguese relativity units.
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