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#516023 01/23/20 10:48 AM
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I have read many past res articles and you guys kinda make them sound like a awesome little fish to try. Sounds like reproduction and cold in northern climate might be the 2 kinks in this plan. Sourcing res from more of a northern climate will help with the second problem. Their are no known places in south dakota to source them as far as I know so will be traveling to iowa nebraska or kansas to source some. TJ, Shorty you might be the closest people i have seen on here that have them, can i ask where you got yours from? Since i will be getting them with my vehicle i am thinking 100/ac is out of the question for my new 3.5 ac pond. So i will probably put them in another pond that is a half acre in size that has no fish. Then move after a spawn. I know this is kind of a loaded question but how many would do the trick 30? I dont want to cut it short, but also i am banking on a spawn to make this plan successful. thank you for any info

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RES manage to survive after stocking most of the way up the LP of Michigan, in a Winter climate tempered by being surrounded on three sides by great lakes. I think in SD you're going to have to settle for Pumpkinseeds if you want snail eating and some red on the opercules.


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I'm just slightly south of both folks mentioned but I'm about 3000' higher in elevation. My winter temps are much colder and longer.
I'd bet my season is similar to yours, but I can say I have lost a handful of RES for 2 winters here. I found about a dozen last year and 5-6 this winter so far. My RES were sourced out of SC Kansas, straight south of TJ and I'm not aware of any source farther north in KS so if you can find them in NE, I'd try that.

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I am just 15 miles south of I-80 in Nebraska, south of the Aurora area. I have had RES in my .6 acre pond for roughly 7 years. I had gotten several up to 1lb 10 Oz size but then apparently lost all of my RES over 1 lb last winter because I have not caught any since. Yet I never saw any signs of mortalities either. Prior to that over half the RES I caught were over 1lb. In my mind it was due to the extended cold last spring but I have nothing to verify that, only my WAG.

I think Shorty also had a RES die off that he believes was due to a cold weather event.

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Just one more comment, if you can get your hands on bg x res hybrid you may gain some cold water tolerance AND an improved ability to pellet train. Good luck finding those in SD though.


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Be sure it is ok to import an alien fish to SD. Agree with NEDOC that a cold climate BG or PS X RES cross may add cold tolerance.
















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https://gfp.sd.gov/redear-sunfish/

should be good on that front

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I have (had??) them in my pond in SW MI. I caught them only rarely when they were about 4-5" long. I have not caught any since. They may or may not be there, we may have had some loss to winter weather. However never saw a mortality or a floater and all the other fish appear to have overwintered every winter just fine. We do everything we can to keep the ice clear of snow since we enjoy skating.

I knew that there was a program to stock them in several SW MI lakes. I found the old study where one of these stocking programs was published. But today i found this article (no date) that gives some specifics of where they are surviving. Our longitude is around 43 whereas aurora, NE is 41.

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canyon - If you truly have the desire to have some RES, IMO you would do well to get some RES brood stock from the MI lakes were over many years they have genetically adapted to the variability and harshness of southern Michigan winters. Tolerant survive, intolerant are eliminated. You would not need very many to produce your first crop of cold tolerant YOY RES. I highly suspect all those RES you originally stocked did not survive.

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Yes! good idea. I need to find the closest lake that has them and see if I can catch them. The problem as you know as they can be very hard to coax to bite smile

I have switched gears in the meantime and have a few PS that I believe spawned late summer of 2018. I didn't see any spawning beds summer 2019 but I had turbid water and a big bloom much of late July and August. It didn't clear till the weather cooled in mid September.

On the to do list before life and medical setbacks set in was to make a minnow trap to sample my young panfish and see what I have. When they are tiny I'm not sure I can tell the difference between a baby RES vs a baby PS anyway...

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Originally Posted By: NEDOC
I am just 15 miles south of I-80 in Nebraska, south of the Aurora area. I have had RES in my .6 acre pond for roughly 7 years. I had gotten several up to 1lb 10 Oz size but then apparently lost all of my RES over 1 lb last winter because I have not caught any since. Yet I never saw any signs of mortalities either. Prior to that over half the RES I caught were over 1lb. In my mind it was due to the extended cold last spring but I have nothing to verify that, only my WAG.

I think Shorty also had a RES die off that he believes was due to a cold weather event.


Yep, warm weather took a 9" thick ice cap off very quickly over an 8-9 day period and mixed the water column suddenly. A small pond like mine simply doesn't have large warmer water refuge area. The good news is that I didn't lose any RES last spring during the extended cold we had.



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RES spawn the same time as BG around here, so if you can find where they are spawning you can catch a bunch in a short amount of time. Males will be guarding the beds, females staging in deeper water (usually) out from the beds.


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Ty, I can get you 25 to 30 4-6" RES if you want to drive down to catch and pick them up. Mid to late May would be the best time once the water warms up.



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Shorty that would be awesome, once i get on the back end of calving season i should be able to get away for a weekend. I am really interested in trying them, maybe they are a failure, maybe they can provide years of fishing for the family. I will have YP in my main dam close to the house but having RES would be a great addition since SM and some WE will be my predators RES sounds like a way better option than BG.

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No problem, I'm a little heavy on RES at the moment and need to thin them down in that size range. I'll teach you how I catch them and show you how to tell the difference between males and females. The warmer the water, the easier they are to catch.



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You just need to let me know what all to bring, the fish moving gear and rib eyes steaks are already on the list.

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Bring a spinning rod with light line, I have extra casting bubbles, micro jigs, and will get you rigged up. I had a neighbor over in late September, it took about an hour to catch 25 RES for his pond. They bite better in the evening before the sun goes down but can be caught during middle of the day too.



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Ty, let's shoot for early to mid May if that works for you, I have a fishing trip that got rescheduled for the last week in May due to Covid-19. I have been catching RES shallow lately even though the water temps haven't warmed up yet. The bite should get much better as the water warms up.



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I'm a little late to this party, but if/when PS are substituted for RES in northern regions, what are the trade-offs? My shallow understanding is as follows...

PS more cold-tolerant, more prolific (closer to BG than RES), sometimes more prone to broaden diet beyond snails.
RES grow larger, less prone to overpopulation/stunting, key in on snails unless forced to forage for other foods.

If RES are used in many ponds as low-risk bonus fish with the benefit of snail (parasite) control, are PS really an viable substitute? Depending on the species combo present, could they pose a problem via prolific spawning and/or niche overlapping? I'm thinking mostly of the SMB/YP/RES combinations common on this forum or a SMB/RES only as recommended by the late Dr. Willis in a smallmouth article I read on BassResource.

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PS and RES are both in the same genetic family. Both have varied diets (much more than snails) but have the ability to eat /crush snails (pharyngeal teeth or crushers) . Most of your understandings are correct. The biggest differences are size and reproductive. PS can easily stunt or overpopulate if there is not enough predation. RES as best we collectively understand do not overpopulate or stunt. PS are cold tolerant where RES are not. There are several old PB articles on the question including Dave Willis South Dakota findings.
















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What did you feed to grow your RES that big. I’m in the south far eastern Ky and I just stocked a 1/8 acre pond with them.


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