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Thanks Fellas!
Scott, the day they went up and that night we got what looked like 5-6" at the cabin as well, but it was gone in 2 days. The pond iced over a little as well but only lasted one day. As of now it is all back to 100% open water and snow only up in the timber. Hoping someone goes up with a pole soon!
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looks like the pond has been a journey of learning for you, so I hope you find some surviving fish swimming around soon.
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looks like the pond has been a journey of learning for you, so I hope you find some surviving fish swimming around soon. Thank you Tracy and yes it has been! Actually, I find I am always getting schooled by that place. Wondering if that will ever stop??
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Leaving Saturday morning headed for the cabin for a few weeks. Planning on gathering as much data as possible while there. Should be interesting to compare to last years numbers.
After some pretty serious investigation it appears all the Trout died. Starting from scratch again.
We will be installing solar aeration this Summer. Hopefully that is the game changer.
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Man that sucks!! Good Luck WB, I just wonder how well batteries will hold up in that extreme cold... and how do you keep the snow off the solar panels so they can charge the batteries...Take pics of what you do for sure I would love to see it!
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Wondering if that will ever stop?? Nope
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All trout were dead.
Stocked 300 10-12" Brook Trout.
Installed the solar system and real aeration finally.
I hesitate to say it, but......
BRING IT ON WINTER!!!!
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We had some pretty nasty algae forming on the lake after I started up the aeration. It looked so bad I called Esshup asking if I should keep running or not. He told me to aerate as much as possible and we would eventually push through. It made it hard to look at the lake everyday. Difficult to watch it go from beautiful to pretty much disgusting looking. The stuff never covered the entire surface of the lake. The wind would mostly keep it blown to one end. In the 10 days before I left we had gotten 4.5" of rain and I have been told that it has done at least the same up there over the last two weeks. I got my buddy to increase the duration on the timer one hour so we are now aerating for 7 hours per day. Hope this stuff is cleared up by the time I get back up there in September.
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It's the nutrients from the anoxic water that you are bringing up is what's causing it.
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It's the nutrients from the anoxic water that you are bringing up is what's causing it. I hope all this rain helps get rid of it!
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Yeah that little bit of green stuff I had also when I first started my air on my pond. It will come and go for a while... A good rain might knock it back down, but thats just part of it... ON the other hand your air is looking good and will sure help you out in the long run!!
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Thanks RC! How long did it take yours to clear up?
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I had stuff like that on and off for a couple of years... I know that's not what your want to hear, I used some c-flo beneficial bacteria to help aid in the killing off of the bad bacteria in my pond as well it's all about getting rid of that initial nasty muck layer. Like Esshup said you got a lot of excess nutrients. Course I only had to buy enough for one acre. What you could do though is buy 1 acre worth and put them all around your air station area in a 100 foot radius... It might help calm that particular area down. It's still took mine a while though. Remember your messing with stuff that hasn't been messed with in a LONG, LONG time...lol so it's gonna get pissed off at you.. lol. Here is what I get for my pond. Not saying it's the best or there is nothing else out there that works better but I know this works. My water looks much better, my fish look a whole lot healthier and I am losing about 2 to 3 inches of muck a year where I treat it. I think this product works well as long as you have air running in your pond to help it activate and do it's thing! Also keep in mind I only treated twice a year It says you can treat up to 4 times a year. These disc's are not small they are about the size of a small Hockey Puck so don't be deceived by the picture. I like to randomly chunk them out around the air and shore line closest to the cabin and dock. Keep in mind 1 acre which I am sure you know this is a bout 208x208 feet. When your putting them in the pond I would also wear some kind of glove while chunking them. https://www.clean-flo.com/shop/biological-control-products/cflo-plus-disks/
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Thanks RC! I will definitely take some of that out with me and give it a shot!
I sure hope this stuff doesn't hang around for a couple years! I am hoping I can flush a bunch of bad water with the snow melt runoff next spring.
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Here is some current data from this Summer and Fall. Looks to me like the aeration is doing it's thing! I installed two more air stations on 9/25/17. 1HP compressor (1,050 watts) is still running for now until sometime in November when we will switch over to 1/3HP (380 watts) compressor for Winter. I'd love to hear some thoughts!
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When did your nasty algae go away? what made it go away? You happy with water quality now? I can't help much with all the scientific data but i imagine you aren't far away from seeing your first thin layer of ice?
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I am not sure when or why it went away. I left August 1st and when I got back in September the water looked perfect! I am extremely happy with the water quality now. It went from looking like pea soup to a beautiful emerald green.
The weather up there is totally unpredictable. Last year the lake iced completely over on November 21st. That was almost two weeks later than the year before.
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I thought this was a cool picture that somewhat illustrates the "area of influence" the diffusers can have. This was before I got the additional stations installed. This picture shows every diffuser station in action. 7 stations with 12 discs in total. One is back by the damn in shallower water so it doesn't make as big of a plume. Two of the stations are run by the windmills. The biggest plume is from the quad diffuser and will be shut down for the Winter. I will add one last single disc station next Summer. I just ran out of time to get it in this trip.
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SO it is solar power 5 of the stations and windmill power for 2, then in winter, only 2 windmills or can solar help in winter on a limited basis?
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I expect the solar to produce pretty much all winter. It is a pretty substantial system. Only time I expect it to be shut down is after a big snow storm until the snow melts off the panels. Shouldn't take too long. BUT who knows, it always seems to be a big experiment up there. http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=477726#Post477726
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Many thanks for reposting your solar build link. I must have been out of town and totally missed that link back in August! Awesome project!
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No problem and thank you! If I don't consistently keep holes open this year then I guess it is time to admit defeat....
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Don't admit defeat for your goal of keeping trout alive all winter until you run the quad diffuser in deeper water all winter. This may be a key part of winter aeration for your high elevation situation of a large pond with trout and heavy snow cover. The rule book for winter aeration has not been completely written and a lot still needs to be learned about pond/lake aeration. Your efforts for aerating a pond with trout and extended deep snow cover is providing very good baseline information.
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Don't admit defeat for your goal of keeping trout alive all winter until you run the quad diffuser in deeper water all winter. This may be a key part of winter aeration for your high elevation situation of a large pond with trout and heavy snow cover. The rule book for winter aeration has not been completely written and a lot still needs to be learned about pond/lake aeration. Your efforts for aerating a pond with trout and extended deep snow cover is providing very good baseline information. As usual thanks for your input, Bill. Your post leads me to yet another question. The small pump does not make quite enough Pressure to pump into the deepest part of the lake where the quad diffuser is. It also doesn't make enough CFM to be able to run more than 5-6 vertex discs. However, rough math says I can run it for 3x longer than the big pump. In my scenario, which pump would you run this winter? The bigger pump with 2x volume of air for 3-4 hours per day or the smaller pump with 1/2 the air for 8-10 hours per day?
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