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#514830 - 12/11/19 12:34 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: NEDOC]
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Registered: 05/07/13
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Loc: West Michigan
But how does he stock only large enough HSB to avoid being eaten by his larger YP and SMB?

AT what size or age do HSB swim quickly enough or school up in numbers safely to avoid SMB predators?

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#514832 - 12/11/19 01:11 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: SetterGuy]
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Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
Originally Posted By: NEDOC

I know what I壇 do.... I壇 stock HSB. Get them to an age where they値l feed train on pellets. And then train them to eat larger pellets when thrown in. Once they池e trained to do that I壇 catch HBG, cut them in half and throw them to your HSB. I知 crazy that way.


Wow! I never would have thought this. Excellent idea! Thank you! I知 an absentee pond owner, so daily stuff is not an option, but I値l do what I can do.
Thanks again,
Jeff


HSB typically hand feed very easily in low light in mornings and nights. So if you are there often enough that they would begin to hit larger pellets like Aquamax Largemouth or Optimal Bass hand throw then you'll be set. The next step would be to fish for HBG all day, throw them on ice, then cut them up in the evening and feed to your HSB. A lot of work, but would serve a dual purpose in reducing HBG and growing HSB. And an absolute blast! You could also purchase fillets of tilapia or trout guts that are cheap and cut them into chunks to get them used to feeding on flesh. Then trasition to HBG, or use some of each. I feed a zillion fish on $80 of tilapia fillets per year (muskie and such).
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#514833 - 12/11/19 01:11 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: canyoncreek]
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Originally Posted By: canyoncreek
But how does he stock only large enough HSB to avoid being eaten by his larger YP and SMB?

AT what size or age do HSB swim quickly enough or school up in numbers safely to avoid SMB predators?


I'd buy some in the fall over 6", or grow some out if possible.
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#514836 - 12/11/19 02:20 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: NEDOC]
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Thanks. I値l see what HSB May still be available. I値l certainly try to get them on feed. I can use a trap and catch quite a few HBG in no time. I値l hardly have to cut them up. Maybe quarters.
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#514839 - 12/11/19 02:45 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: SetterGuy]
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Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
Thanks. I値l see what HSB May still be available. I値l certainly try to get them on feed. I can use a trap and catch quite a few HBG in no time. I値l hardly have to cut them up. Maybe quarters.


If you do this, chronicle the experience. It would be a great learning experience for us all.
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#514848 - 12/12/19 08:06 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: jpsdad]
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Wow!

What great advice from all of you and special shout out to jpsdad for the effort he put into it. Been busy traveling and getting settled into our winter haunt and forgot about this thread. Not been on in a few days.

Sure is getting me excided to get something done next spring/summer. The 400 sounds perfect. And stringer if it works out, no problem getting you a few.

The harvest sounds right down my alley. I much prefer BG fishing over LMB because of the higher catch rate. So harvesting a lot of smaller/medium fish is what I like to do. Thanks everyone and thanks Nedoc for letting me steal your thread for a few questions.


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#514849 - 12/12/19 08:11 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: snrub]
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Originally Posted By: snrub
Wow!

What great advice from all of you. Thanks everyone and thanks Nedoc for letting me steal your thread for a few questions.


I feel exactly the same way. Thanks all, and Nedoc thanks for letting me pose a question or two.
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#514850 - 12/12/19 08:11 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: NEDOC]
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How in the dickens did you drop that much weight?
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#514851 - 12/12/19 08:14 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: Heppy]
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Originally Posted By: Heppy
Does anyone know the difference between HSB (female white bass x male striped bass) and HSB (male white bass x female striped bass)? I知 guessing maximum size but have no factual information. The reason that I ask is either cross is available from different hatcheries with the HSB (male white bass x female striped bass) being more expensive.
Thanks,
Heppy


Once upon a time through an internet search I ran across an article about the different HSB crosses. Might have been Pond Boss, might have been a bass fishing magazine, don't remember. But it did a really good job of explaining the difference as well as some of the things mentioned here in this thread.
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#514853 - 12/12/19 08:19 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Loc: SE Kansas
Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
How in the dickens did you drop that much weight?


Ketogenic low carb/high good old saturated fat diet. Quit eating ten times a day to let insulin levels drop low. Got off 100 units of insulin a day within the first two weeks of the diet. Have not injected a drop of insulin since last mid-February.

You can't burn body fat as long as insulin levels are high. The way to keep it low is quit spiking it high with fast carbs/sugar. It really is that simple. Almost everything we have been told and taught about diet the last 50 years? Mostly wrong. Look up Dr Eric Westman or Dr Jason Fung or Dr Ken Berry on Youtube. Profesor Tim Noakes if you are an athelete.

Watch any of the "Low Carb Down Under" videos on Youtube you can find with a Youtube search.

I can don my full set of diving gear, walk around all day with it, and still be carrying no more weight than when buck naked year ago. I can grab two bags of fish food to take out on my dock feeder and be only 5# heavier than I would have been holding nothing before the weight loss. Off a hand full of prescripotion medicines. Take zero prescription medicine now and last check up blood markers (including the much maligned cholesterol) all much improved. I got my life back. All with a diet change.


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#514856 - 12/12/19 09:42 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: snrub]
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John, your story is terrific. As a fellow diabetic, I needed to hear this!
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#514857 - 12/12/19 10:39 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: NEDOC]
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Well done
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#514863 - 12/12/19 01:06 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 10/03/16
Posts: 148
Loc: South Central, Virginia
Originally Posted By: snrub
Originally Posted By: Heppy
Does anyone know the difference between HSB (female white bass x male striped bass) and HSB (male white bass x female striped bass)? I知 guessing maximum size but have no factual information. The reason that I ask is either cross is available from different hatcheries with the HSB (male white bass x female striped bass) being more expensive.
Thanks,
Heppy


Once upon a time through an internet search I ran across an article about the different HSB crosses. Might have been Pond Boss, might have been a bass fishing magazine, don't remember. But it did a really good job of explaining the difference as well as some of the things mentioned here in this thread.


Thanks snrub!
Your comment about seeing it somewhere before led me to to a google search. I found this Produced in hatcheries, the most common hybridization is the female striped bass Morone saxatilis and the male white bass M. chrysops. This is due to the high number of eggs produced by the female striped bass. This hybrid cross, palmetto bass, typically produces a faster-growing offspring which attains larger size than the sunshine bass. on Wikipedia. I will look more into it.
Thanks!
Heppy

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#514864 - 12/12/19 01:31 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: snrub]
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And stringer if it works out, no problem getting you a few.

Sweet I hope it works out 4 you. You say your a diver. We are headed to the Bahamas just after the 1st of the year. Any place you can recommend there? Congrats on the weight loss. It's hard to stick with something after you have already created your eating habits.
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#514870 - 12/12/19 05:22 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: RStringer]
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All the diving we have done in the Bahamas (and that has been considerable over the years) has been done off of Blackbeards, Cat Palau and Juliet livaboards. You can do a google search to find them. But they are a week long trip and I suspect you already have land based itenerary.

We have not done any shore based diving excursions.
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#514880 - 12/12/19 10:38 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: SetterGuy]
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Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
Originally Posted By: NEDOC

I know what I壇 do.... I壇 stock HSB. Get them to an age where they値l feed train on pellets. And then train them to eat larger pellets when thrown in. Once they池e trained to do that I壇 catch HBG, cut them in half and throw them to your HSB. I知 crazy that way.


Wow! I never would have thought this. Excellent idea! Thank you! I知 an absentee pond owner, so daily stuff is not an option, but I値l do what I can do.
Thanks again,
Jeff


Jeff, they make automated solar powered fish feeders....................
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#514890 - 12/13/19 07:58 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: esshup]
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Loc: NE Missouri
Originally Posted By: esshup
Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
[quote=NEDOC]

Wow! I never would have thought this. Excellent idea! Thank you! I知 an absentee pond owner, so daily stuff is not an option, but I値l do what I can do.
Thanks again,
Jeff


Jeff, they make automated solar powered fish feeders....................


I致e got a TX Hunter, but had some weird algae last summer, so I shut it down. I値l start it back up in the spring. It痴 the catching, and cutting up of HBG that I値l have to get around. Obviously feeding the cut up HBG is essential in getting the HSB to target HBG. I値l do that when I can, as often as I知 up there. Actually when I think about all the HBG we致e tossed up into the woods, I知 going to start using those for food. I left my fish trap out overnight last summer, and the turtles found it. Paid the price for being lazy.
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#514897 - 12/13/19 01:10 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: NEDOC]
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I'm not sure my method will alter your HBG numbers enough to make a noticeable difference, but I can promise you it'll be a blast!! And I'm guessing the HSB will explode in size.
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#514918 - 12/14/19 05:53 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: NEDOC]
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Thank you. Trying to source HSB and YP now. I may try for walleye if I can稚 find HSB.
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#514937 - 12/15/19 02:24 PM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: SetterGuy]
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WE are even harder to find.......... Fall stocking only is my experience.
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#514956 - 12/16/19 08:08 AM Re: Chronicles of stocking Hybrid Striped Bass...... [Re: NEDOC]
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I'm lucky to have Todd Overton around for fish stocking when it comes to most all of my fish needs. He has always had hsb when I wanted them in both spring and fall. He also had different sizes like the 4" I purchased along with the 10" and some 16" ones. you might give him a call. Maybe he can overnight some of the smaller sized fish. And/or I would try sending Bob Lusk an email where you might pick up some hsb in your area. Or maybe someone like Brian(highflyer) or Al(fireishot) will have the get together this spring where you could pick some up down here in Texas and take them home with you. One or both are discussing who will have the party (from another post as to who is carrying who's water bottle) smile I was just now thinking I might be able to bring some up if there was a good quail hunt available out of the trip. Are those setters finding any birds? smile Hay! a guy can ask can't he lol
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