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#512570 - 10/10/19 12:03 PM It's time for war again!
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Oh no...looks like it's about that time again.

Let the war begin!

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#512590 - 10/10/19 08:03 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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I feel sorry for you all that have to deal with the water turkeys (that is what you call them, right?)...The goose of dread is showing itself around here... Luckily not at my pond, yet!
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#512596 - 10/10/19 10:01 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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Thanks Quarter....last year was my worst ever. We'll see how it goes trying to protect our fish from this crazy 1918 law that needs to be amended to reflect the 100 year later reality...but good luck with that.
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#512604 - 10/11/19 08:10 AM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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ZEP, noise makers, like a shotgun and or a 22mag's sound will cause most of them to move on. But there are some that don't want to move off the pond. In that case I point the noise makers in their direction. I was once hit hard by these birds so I don't tolerate them at my place.
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#512613 - 10/11/19 09:40 AM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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Tracy I am willing to try anything...lol..but since I am usually only there on weekends....those thieves are free to roam 4-5 days a week. I recently bought some reflective tape and will do the "eye" reflector which both worked pretty well last year. I just waited too late to add them. If things get really bad I will even try the ItalyBASS mono filament line trick....at least in part of the pond...but I hate to do that because I just added the mini-pontoon boat. Might get interesting. Thanks for the advice.
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#512617 - 10/11/19 10:26 AM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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Registered: 01/24/11
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Loc: southwest Colorado
I have no experience with what I'm suggesting, so take it FWIW.

How about setting up one of those inflatable man things, have the blower on a timer set to run several times per day, and include a stereo device, or something similar, that would broadcast the sounds of gunshots or other noises at the same time that the blowup monster was running? By not running the device all the time, it could retain some of its surprise value.

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#512618 - 10/11/19 10:40 AM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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4Corners...I bet that might help. It's all a matter of degree and pieces to the puzzle...almost nothing will work 100%. But yes that sounds like an interesting low cost easy idea. When it was bad last year the water turkey would see me out on my pier or fire-pit and many of them just kept on doing what they do...a few might fly off...but certainly not all. Even a scare shot with my AR-15 was maybe 50% effective. The reflective tape actually worked pretty well...but I read it's success varies from year to year.

I am off to South Bend - Go Irish!
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#513551 - 10/31/19 04:44 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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I was able to acquire a Cormorant Predation permit from the state but in their infinite stupidity they discontinued them last year. Those things are terrible!

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#513559 - 10/31/19 09:57 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: travlinman]
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A few have shown up here.
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#513563 - 11/01/19 05:51 AM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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I've already seen dozens fly over my pond, but none in the pond thanks to the lines.
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#513575 - 11/01/19 02:48 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: travlinman]
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Originally Posted By: travlinman
I was able to acquire a Cormorant Predation permit from the state but in their infinite stupidity they discontinued them last year. Those things are terrible!


I believe the feds took over cormorant predation permits, so states can no longer issue them. Probably hard to get.
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#513576 - 11/01/19 03:36 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: anthropic]
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Originally Posted By: anthropic
Originally Posted By: travlinman
I was able to acquire a Cormorant Predation permit from the state but in their infinite stupidity they discontinued them last year. Those things are terrible!


I believe the feds took over cormorant predation permits, so states can no longer issue them. Probably hard to get.

Very.

IIRC, you have to be able to show a loss, which is hard to do if you don't sell fish.
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#513579 - 11/01/19 05:19 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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I already gave up re:predators. What will be will be.
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#513584 - 11/01/19 09:38 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: John Fitzgerald]
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3S rule applies.

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#513591 - 11/02/19 02:53 AM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: FireIsHot]
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Originally Posted By: FireIsHot
Originally Posted By: anthropic
Originally Posted By: travlinman
I was able to acquire a Cormorant Predation permit from the state but in their infinite stupidity they discontinued them last year. Those things are terrible!


I believe the feds took over cormorant predation permits, so states can no longer issue them. Probably hard to get.

Very.

IIRC, you have to be able to show a loss, which is hard to do if you don't sell fish.


I'm sure you're right under the law, but that law is a travesty.

Consider: Say you spend 100k to consult with pond experts, build a dam, shape the pond bottom, and create gravel beds for spawning. Then you spend 5k to stock fish, including additions annually like Tilapia. Then you spend 3k on fish feeders & replacements, plus 3k on fish food over a period of years. And 4k on liming & fertilization over the years. Plus electro surveys costing 3k over the years.

Add to that 5k for a dock so the kids can fish, and another 5k for a boat. Plus 2k buying artificial structure and getting it placed.

Total: $130,000. Now, if the cormorants take 20 percent of the fish, that is a loss of $26,000 of your entire fish investment. Shouldn't matter that you don't sell your fish, that's the loss.

If laws were fair, individual pond owners would not be treated as second class citizens. Our efforts do enormous good for the environment, including predatory birds!



Edited by anthropic (11/02/19 02:54 AM)
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#513592 - 11/02/19 05:22 AM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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20%? Heck, they took, in my estimation, about 80% of mine.
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#513600 - 11/02/19 01:26 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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How are "they" gonna catch you anyway, if you off some C'rants on a pond neighbors cannot see?
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#513609 - 11/02/19 08:31 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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We ought to push for legislation allowing a tax deduction for losses from predators. Maybe electro survey estimate of pond biomass before and after cormorants do their thing.

If governments started losing tax revenue to cormorant activity, you can bet they'd be a lot more willing to allow us to protect our fish.


Edited by anthropic (11/02/19 08:49 PM)
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#513611 - 11/02/19 08:58 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: anthropic]
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Registered: 10/19/14
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Originally Posted By: anthropic
We ought to push for legislation allowing a tax deduction for losses from predators. Maybe electro survey estimate of pond biomass before and after cormorants do their thing.

If governments started losing tax revenue to cormorant activity, you can bet they'd be a lot more willing to allow us to protect our fish.


LOL! That would be cool but, unfortunately, the only concern of our law makers is getting re-elected! ...and of course, where the campaign dollars come from dictates their decisions! cry


Edited by Bill D. (11/02/19 09:02 PM)
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#513616 - 11/02/19 09:50 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Bill D.]
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You're right, but remember it's harder for them to get campaign $ if they have fewer taxpayer $ to pass out. wink


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#513617 - 11/02/19 10:12 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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...IMO If you could get the NRA to take up the cause you would stand a chance of getting the laws changed
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#513633 - 11/03/19 09:38 AM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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Registered: 09/19/14
Posts: 3034
Loc: Harrison Co. Texas
While walking the pond bank yesterday I found a large cnbg on the dam. found 3 bloody marks/punctures on one side of the fish. Could not figure it out till I saw the Bald Eagle was back at the pond and circling overhead. He's back again! He has shown up around this time for the past 3 yrs. I think it is because the Tp start slowing down and fish will hang near the waters surface while sunning and trying to warm up. I was impressed and excided to see him when he first showed up a few years back but now not so much. I don't do anything to discourage him but still, other than him looking good, I wished he would move on.


Edited by TGW1 (11/03/19 09:45 AM)
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#513759 - 11/06/19 03:17 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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#513762 - 11/06/19 04:48 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: John Fitzgerald]
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Originally Posted By: John Fitzgerald
How are "they" gonna catch you anyway, if you off some C'rants on a pond neighbors cannot see?


Changed to protect the innocent. PM me if you have questions.


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#513766 - 11/06/19 06:13 PM Re: It's time for war again! [Re: Zep]
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I have a friend with a drone. Cormorants don't like drones.
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