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#510304 - 08/15/19 12:15 PM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: nvcdl]
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Caught another good sized bass this week. This one was around 4lbs - a bit smaller that the other big bass I've previously caught in the pond. It seems like the bass in pond are either 1lb and under or over 4lbs - my theory is that once they get big enough to eat crappie and perch they put on mass quickly but the smaller bass have had a hard time getting to that size in past due to lack of small forage. The smaller bass I've caught lately seem to be getting a bit bigger as the bluegill forage is increasing.


Edited by nvcdl (08/15/19 12:20 PM)

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#511979 - 09/25/19 07:51 PM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: nvcdl]
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Caught a nice chunky 2lb bass today - first bass of this size I've caught in pond. Previously had only caught 1lb and below and 4lbs and bigger. Think my stocking of blugills is improving the forage situation in the pond. Have stocked 575 4"to 5" bluegills and about 600 smaller ones since this spring.

Number of strikes & of bass I catch is still rather low. Hope to stock 100 F1 fingerlings next year in late spring/early summer to improve numbers/genetics. Might also stock some HSB to thin out the crappie.


Edited by nvcdl (09/25/19 08:06 PM)

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#511992 - 09/26/19 06:50 AM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: nvcdl]
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It will be interesting to see if any of thosef1 fingerlings survive predation
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#511995 - 09/26/19 06:58 AM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: nvcdl]
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I agree with Dave and would suggest you find some that are in the 10 to 14" sized lmb to stock. And look for a lmb spawn to get the lmb numbers up.
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#512008 - 09/26/19 11:31 AM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
It will be interesting to see if any of thosef1 fingerlings survive predation


I figure if I put in 100 fingerlings I might reasonably expect 20 to become full grown bass.


Edited by nvcdl (09/26/19 11:31 AM)

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#512009 - 09/26/19 11:34 AM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: TGW1]
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Originally Posted By: TGW1
I agree with Dave and would suggest you find some that are in the 10 to 14" sized lmb to stock. And look for a lmb spawn to get the lmb numbers up.


If there was a good source of F1 bass this size I might go this route. Don't know of anyone who can deliver full grown F1 bass for a reasonable price.

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#512052 - 09/27/19 09:18 AM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: nvcdl]
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Reasonable price? I am no expert that's for sure but I would think growing out any fish for sale may not be reasonable to one but to another it might be reasonable. You might look to Bob Lusk or you could subscribe to the PB Magazine where you can get a resource guide for most all pond things. As I said I am no expert. But I can pass along some of my personal experience for example. When I originally stocked fingerling lmb we did 85 per acre in a pond with bg/res/Tp/TFS. And had what I thought was low survival of the lmb fry. that set me back a year I think. If I was to add lmb fry to a pond with predators I would want a lot of vegetation cover and hope they might be able to hide in it. I would also double the amount of lmb fry but " hay " like I said I am no expert.
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#512053 - 09/27/19 09:42 AM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: TGW1]
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Originally Posted By: TGW1
Reasonable price? I am no expert that's for sure but I would think growing out any fish for sale may not be reasonable to one but to another it might be reasonable. You might look to Bob Lusk or you could subscribe to the PB Magazine where you can get a resource guide for most all pond things. As I said I am no expert. But I can pass along some of my personal experience for example. When I originally stocked fingerling lmb we did 85 per acre in a pond with bg/res/Tp/TFS. And had what I thought was low survival of the lmb fry. that set me back a year I think. If I was to add lmb fry to a pond with predators I would want a lot of vegetation cover and hope they might be able to hide in it. I would also double the amount of lmb fry but " hay " like I said I am no expert.


If you have enough money you can get someone to do almost anything. However it is difficult to find grown northern bass from a supplier in Virginia much less F1 bass. The only sources I've found with F1 bass only have fingerlings (guys in NC with a fish truck or can get them shipped from various sources).

If I was going to add adult bass I'd only add about 20. I'm in no rush - the bass in the pond currently seem to be doing better as I've added forage and using fingerlings will give the bluegills a chance to multiply while the bass population is low.

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#512118 - 09/28/19 07:06 AM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: nvcdl]
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I understand and have done something similar this past spring where I added 300 two to 3" RES into my pond where there are some large lmb and HSB. I have no clue if any of them survived but I have quite a bit of vegetation along the shoreline so my thinking was they would have a place to hide and grow larger. Like you, my thinking was maybe 10% might make it. It was not a lot of money so I thought what the heck. Sometimes we southern guys have trouble locating fish for stocking. There is a Yellow Perch that lives in Florida waters. I would like to get some of those and see if they might survive here in E. Texas. Problem is, no suppliers that I can find.


Edited by TGW1 (09/28/19 07:07 AM)
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#512120 - 09/28/19 07:24 AM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: nvcdl]
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I also think that cover is very important. While my curly-leaf pondweed now seems under control from papershell crayfish, I think its presence earlier allowed just 12 2-3" LCS to grow and reproduce into a substantial population (based on the number washing out the tube during heavy rain events). These were added after YP were already reproducing young large enough to eat them.

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#512134 - 09/28/19 12:11 PM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: RAH]
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Originally Posted By: RAH
I also think that cover is very important. While my curly-leaf pondweed now seems under control from papershell crayfish, I think its presence earlier allowed just 12 2-3" LCS to grow and reproduce into a substantial population (based on the number washing out the tube during heavy rain events). These were added after YP were already reproducing young large enough to eat them.


Yes - I think an established pond with cover may offer more opportunities for fish to survive. I recently stocked 10lbs of FHM in hopes that some will survive and spawn (in addition to providing temporary forage).

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#512135 - 09/28/19 12:25 PM Re: My ponds seem to be fishless.... [Re: nvcdl]
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Wish bluntnose minnows were more available as an alternative that has a better chance of survival.

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