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#510959 - 08/30/19 12:49 PM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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RStringer, did ANY sediment settle on the bottoms of the jars when tested? If there is no settled out particles after even 3 days, the turbidity in unlikely to be mechanical (wind/wave action, fish). IIRC you said somewhere your pond is 1/8th acre? At 1/8 acre, I suggest going ahead and treating your pond "heavy" with 200 pounds Aluminum Sulfate and 100 pounds of Hydrated Lime (Calcium Hydroxide). Cost is very minimal for staggeringly positive results.
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#510962 - 08/30/19 01:18 PM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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Yes alot of junk n the bottom. I think I will wait til after I get it all dug out before I add anything to it.


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#510963 - 08/30/19 02:43 PM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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Is it feasible to plant some groundcover on the exposed dirt? Some quick sprouting oats, rye, or wheat may stabilize the dirt so you don't have so much runoff clouding your pond. You would need to get it going now though for it to get a good root system.
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#510966 - 08/30/19 04:14 PM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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I would and will do some planting. But I'm still digging on it. Kinda of hard to explain with pictures. I wish I was smarter n cud put a vid on here. I could walk around it. I'm raising the damn on 1 side and digging out on the other. Hoping to bring the water line up about 3 feet.
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#510967 - 08/30/19 04:16 PM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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Just took another picture. That's crazy how much 1 teaspoon can change that nasty water. I never would have thought it works that ez.


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#511297 - 09/08/19 11:03 PM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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Help me understand all this plz. This water turns gin clear within hours. Just from very little bit of aluminwhen. I stir this up it goes clear again really fast.if it goes clear with just alum wht do I need to put in the hydrated lime in also.


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#511303 - 09/09/19 01:35 AM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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Hyd Lime is the pH buffer. The Alum alone drops pH, Hyd Lime balances the effects of that and also adds a slight useful alkalinity rise.
Important to get a pH reading before treatment to determine amount of Hyd Lime to use after Alum application.
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#511309 - 09/09/19 07:36 AM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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Thank you for all the help and advice. I hope by spring time I am done digging and have my dam put back together. Maybe by this time next year it will be full and clear. I got the wife on board when she seen how clear it gets with alum.
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#511317 - 09/09/19 10:59 AM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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You should probably wait until the there is dense vegetation on all the exposed soil before bothering with an alum treatment. aquatic plants on the edges help too.
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#511480 - 09/12/19 12:44 AM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: Redonthehead]
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Originally Posted By: Redonthehead
You should probably wait until the there is dense vegetation on all the exposed soil before bothering with an alum treatment. aquatic plants on the edges help too.


Agreed...I still don't understand how long it required your jar test to clear. Did you ever allow turbidity to settle before adding Alum?
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#511487 - 09/12/19 08:02 AM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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Im not sure how long I waited maybe a week and nothing seemed to be falling to the bottom. Should I do another test. I added the alum to one of them and just started playing with how much it took. I ended up adding somewhere like 20 grains of alum to clear it up within mintues. They get gin clear in bout 10. And yes I mean 20 grains im not sure I can even measure that. I might try this on a bigger scale (for test purposes). My next question is where do you buy the alum and lime in bulk? The farm store here looked at me like I was crazy.
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#511680 - Today at 03:53 PM Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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I would perform the following tests:

Two jars filled with pond water.

Put one in a dark place - other exposed to some light.

Take photos with white background on day one, monitor both jars every day. Take additional photos periodically with white background. Allow the water some time. Report findings and post photos. I'd keep this test going at least 2 weeks up to 4 so we can review the data together. It's entirely possible you have an ionic imbalance and will require gypsum or alum treatment - but let's be 100% sure and allow the jar test data to be established first before you start spending $$. Be diligent, keep good photo records, post for us.
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#511689 - 51 minutes 3 seconds ago Re: How long does it last (treatment) ? [Re: RStringer]
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If I get a chance I will start a new round of test tonight. TJ I hope you are told how much everyone on here appreciates your help. You knowledge has helped a lot of people. Your post brings up another question from me. What does the GYPSUM do?
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