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#498805 - 11/17/18 12:38 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: NEDOC]
Shorty Offline
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Registered: 07/28/05
Posts: 4405
Loc: Raymond, NE
Elwood and Davis Creek in Nebraska have spotted bass populations in Nebraska, on average it takes 4 years for them to reach 12" here. If you find a supplier let me know, I wouldn't mind a few to work on thinning down my GSH.


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#498806 - 11/17/18 12:45 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 11/26/09
Posts: 168
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I have been looking very hard for a hatchery stock of Spotted Bass. A producer near me has had them in the past and trying to drum some up from ponds stocked several years back. I have a couple thousand Spotted Fingerlings, but they are not legal for sale as from wild brood stock.

I have made hybrids between Spotted and Largemouth about 25 years ago. Hybrid, like the Meanmouth, is more aggressive than usual when on the nest. Next spring hybrid Spotted x Largemouth will again be made although use is not intended for recreational fisheries.

As a kid, we had several livestock ponds in southern Indiana stocked with Spotted Bass. They performed favorably to Largemouth in the smaller ponds lacking sunfish as forage. The spotted are not as good at protecting fry in a pond setting when lots of sunfish present. I think the Spotted Bass wean offspring before large enough to avoid sunfish going after them.

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#498810 - 11/17/18 01:18 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: Centrarchid]
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I suspect that spotted bass, like smallmouth, might do well in a pond setting where RES are the only sunfish present.
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#498832 - 11/18/18 01:57 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: Shorty]
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Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 5608
Loc: SE Kansas
That sounds logical Shorty. Or perhaps RES and GSH.
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#501128 - 01/24/19 12:29 AM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
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Posts: 850
Loc: NW Kansas
Hey snrub, never crossed my mind when I first read this but there are tons of spots all around you down there. I caught more spots probably 3-1 than LMB or SMB over east of ya in the spring river at the road bridge. Maple east to CR 270, go north about 2 miles.. Public access on the south side of bridge. It's on the MO side but might be worth trying to catch a few to move..???
Maybe I should bring one of my small 75gal tanks when I go to Joplin to see my daughter??? :-))


Edited by Snipe (01/24/19 12:31 AM)
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#511330 - 09/09/19 01:28 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: Snipe]
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Registered: 08/20/04
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Loc: SC Nebraska
Originally Posted By: Snipe
Hey snrub, never crossed my mind when I first read this but there are tons of spots all around you down there. I caught more spots probably 3-1 than LMB or SMB over east of ya in the spring river at the road bridge. Maple east to CR 270, go north about 2 miles.. Public access on the south side of bridge. It's on the MO side but might be worth trying to catch a few to move..???
Maybe I should bring one of my small 75gal tanks when I go to Joplin to see my daughter??? :-))


snrub, you ever get into any spots? Seems we have plenty interested in tackling this project, myself included. If I can come across some I'll be starting a thread on the process.

You coming up for Husker Harvest Days this week?
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#511343 - 09/09/19 05:24 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 05/20/18
Posts: 435
Loc: Texas
Originally Posted By: snrub
[quote=snrub]Just found this old 2009 thread on Spotted Bass. According to Greg Grimes, they are very aggressive. His experience with clients ponds and spots was not that good.

2009 thread on Spotted Bass



John, where I grew up a native bass that isn't LMB can be found in most of the creeks, particularly in smaller, shallower holes in the upstream reaches. LMB have taken over most of the larger and deeper holes particularly in downstream reaches. I am not certain what species this bass is but in the past when I would catch them I thought they were spotted bass. They have bright red eyes and smaller mouths than LMB. Many old ponds that were bucket stocked from creeks have them.

With regard to moving fish. I think it is really important not to move a fish to water where it is larger than most of its kind. If the water could support it then similar specimens would already prevail in. Size structure can only be altered to larger fish from the ground up. Also, if the pond is mature, then it already may have bass biomass at the limit the BOW can support. Home fish should have an advantage.

To me Spotted and LMB are similar enough to be sufficient on their own. But if I really wanted Spotties, they would be the only bass I would stock. I like Shorty's idea of a different forage combination for them also.


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#511346 - 09/09/19 08:17 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 05/07/13
Posts: 2170
Loc: West Michigan
the bright red eyes, and smaller mouths sounds very suspicious for 'Rock Bass', not spotted bass.

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#511353 - 09/09/19 09:52 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 05/20/18
Posts: 435
Loc: Texas
Nope. Definitely not 'Rock Bass' that is for sure. They are a Micropterus species for sure.

**BUMP**

OK, so was doing searches on "red eyes". Turns out, lots of different species of micropterus can have red eyes and red eyes occur prevalently in various river species of Georgia/Alabama. I'm from northern OK so thought I throw a search out for spotted bass and Oklahoma and found a link at the DOW.

A bit of personal history. Locally we often referred these bass as "red-eyed bass". I was once corrected by a group of friends for calling them Spotted bass. And so in some minds locally they were our own special bass. Since then, I never was completely confident calling them Spotted bass. The link at the DOW gives me the confidence to say it is not likely they are any species other than spotted bass.


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#511354 - 09/09/19 11:47 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 10/26/18
Posts: 850
Loc: NW Kansas
"With regard to moving fish. I think it is really important not to move a fish to water where it is larger than most of its kind. If the water could support it then similar specimens would already prevail in. Size structure can only be altered to larger fish from the ground up. Also, if the pond is mature, then it already may have bass biomass at the limit the BOW can support. Home fish should have an advantage."

If this was pointed at me, I was not implying that anyone add these to an existing Bass population. If someone builds a pond and wishes to try this species, in this case, the only way to do that is move the fish. I take some of this info-and procedure-for granted, we haul fish from one BOW to another- a lot. We also treat with specific chemicals to lessen the chance of parasites and other diseases, so yes, I often forget not everyone does it that way, but if done legally and properly it can be quite successful.
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#511405 - 09/10/19 05:28 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 05/20/18
Posts: 435
Loc: Texas
It was definitely not pointed at you Snipe. I was just commenting that, (when like fish are present), I think it is important to transfer where their competitors at their new home are of similar or larger size. As it pertains to this thread, if I had a BOW I wanted to introduce Spotties with existing LMB, I would stock them at a size that is average and maybe remove one or the two LMB of similar size for each Spotted Bass.

When I said this ...

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Size structure can only be altered to larger fish from the ground up.


It was just an aside not pertaining to the topic of this thread or in response anything anyone posted in it. It is easy to be seduced by the idea that one may introduce large (eg 5+ lbs) LMB into a mature bow with an existing LMB population. In a sense forcing the trophy bow, however, if the BOW doesn't already produce large bass like it, IMHO the transplant should be expected to begin declining as soon as it is introduced.


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#511423 - 09/11/19 12:27 AM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
Snipe Offline


Registered: 10/26/18
Posts: 850
Loc: NW Kansas
"if the BOW doesn't already produce large bass like it, IMHO the transplant should be expected to begin declining as soon as it is introduced."

Agree completely..And very well stated.
Sorry I misinterpreted your post.
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#511435 - 09/11/19 07:58 AM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
jpsdad Offline


Registered: 05/20/18
Posts: 435
Loc: Texas
No worries and no apology needed. I am just happy that you presented me the opportunity to clarify.

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#511446 - 09/11/19 12:45 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: snrub]
roundy Offline


Registered: 09/10/16
Posts: 270
Loc: Central Illinois
That is a great thing about this forum when a disagreement or offense might be taken, there is a fairly rational discussion and then usually some type of resolution. We don't have to agree on things but is nice to have a safe sandbox to play in. I for one like to read a few weird or unusual thoughts on subjects, much easier to disect potential problems online rather than once implemented in my pond. Thanks, guys!

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#511459 - 09/11/19 03:06 PM Re: Spotted Bass [Re: roundy]
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Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2938
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
You are right Roundy, sometimes it doesn’t come out so good and folks get banned.......

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