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I'd appreciate your comments on what I have here. Apparently there were a few more fish in my pond when i stocked it than i thought.

Fish 1 - (notice the "hint" of redear). this one is much bigger than what was stocked 45 days ago. the true RES that i stocked 45 days ago were 2-3" max.



Fish 2 ( i suppose this is same type/mix as #1 - lil fatty. it has the same "red" on it as #1 but more GSF coloring on it)




Fish 3 im guessing this one is one of the hybrid bluegill just stocked?? if so, it has grown quite a bit in 45 days



FIsh 4 - this one does not have the "red" on the "ear" ( similar to #3) but has more of a GSF coloring on the rear part of body. Is this a HBG?





On the bed - whatever #1 and #2 is, this one is on a bed in about 8" of water a foot off the bank. I noticed it there 2 days ago and it hasn't left. i was 18" away when i took the pic.


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.20 acre pond-that leaks/4-5' deep. Stocked 6/22/19 with 300 BG(supposed to be HBG, removed 100+/- so far), 100 RES, 3carp. On 8/20 added 300 HBG, + 21 5"HSB. 8/21 added 5 8" SMB, one 10" LMB , one 14" CC
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All except #3 have mostly GSF. #3 is a hybrid but I believe it is RESxBG, I see no GSF in that fish.

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Thanks. DO GSF have a hit of a Redear as #1 and #2 do?

With that said, should i be removing any that has GSF in them?

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.20 acre pond-that leaks/4-5' deep. Stocked 6/22/19 with 300 BG(supposed to be HBG, removed 100+/- so far), 100 RES, 3carp. On 8/20 added 300 HBG, + 21 5"HSB. 8/21 added 5 8" SMB, one 10" LMB , one 14" CC
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#1 and #2 strongly resemble my smaller HBG (offspring from the original stocked fish). My pond is pretty muddy and they do not have as much color as yours, but most males do have the red on the flap.

I agree with Snipe...#3 looks RES-ish.

#4 is the most GSF looking, but might have some HBG in it.

None of them strike me as pure GSF.

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Thanks...should i be removing any that has GSF in them?

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I don't recall what you stocked or your goals, but GSF traits can grow some big hybrids...




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Just to be clear on my above post, I agree they are not pure GSF but #3 is the only one with no yellow/orange under belly/fins.

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I think #3 is a pure strain BG. What features does anyone see that take it out of pure BG?


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I thought the mouth and operculum looked a bit different, but maybe you are correct Bill. Seems they all have differing traits in different areas.

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Never seen a pure black spot like that in my ponds.


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#3 is what all the so called "HBG" looked like when i stocked them. All had the vertical purple'ish stripes. I just didn't recall there being any that large.


.20 acre pond-that leaks/4-5' deep. Stocked 6/22/19 with 300 BG(supposed to be HBG, removed 100+/- so far), 100 RES, 3carp. On 8/20 added 300 HBG, + 21 5"HSB. 8/21 added 5 8" SMB, one 10" LMB , one 14" CC
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Vertical purplish stripes are common on northern BG in the 4"-7" size range. IMO coloration of #3 is spot on for northern BG. Mouth size on #3 is also characteristic of pure stain BG. Also in my experience for #3 notice how long and pointed the pectoral fin is. I have done lots of fin measurements. The pectoral fin posterior almost and often actually reaches the front or 1st spine of the anal fin. This never happens with a HBG because the pectoral fin of GSF is short and round. Pay attention to this when you see BG, HBG GSF. RES pectoral fin is also as long as or longer than that of a pure BG.

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Yikes - hopefully i didn't get 300 BG - when i was supposed to have received HBG. ALl these fish came from Central Arkansas. i will put out a trap today and catch several small one and take more pix.

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Agree with Bill # 3 is a BG. The rest are HBG.
















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OK - So, if #3 is a BG ( and not a HBG) i think i'm screwed...or got screwed, and got all BG instead of getting HBG.
I set out a minnow trap and caught a few....of which most look like #3. The middle fish in the 4th pic, and on the bottom pic - the top 2 are certainly GSF'ish...if not full on. I'm guessing those were already in my pond - and, appears that the FAT ones are NOT the ones i just put in.







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.20 acre pond-that leaks/4-5' deep. Stocked 6/22/19 with 300 BG(supposed to be HBG, removed 100+/- so far), 100 RES, 3carp. On 8/20 added 300 HBG, + 21 5"HSB. 8/21 added 5 8" SMB, one 10" LMB , one 14" CC
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Last pic below - top 2 fish are GSF (may be HBG) and bottom 2 are BG.

If you have GSF and BG you may be making your own HBG.
















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This is realllly frustrating to have gotten all BG when i asked for HBG. does anyone have a 2-4" pic of a HBG for comparison?
Trying to determine what i need to go.....seine it, and start over with 2-4" HBG....or just roll with it, but add more HSB. (plan on starting with 15).

With that said, I suppose i now have 300BG (instead of HBG) + a mix'ish of a few GSF/BG that were in there when i started.


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Thanks EWEST for those links. Very educations and good info for sure.
My goal for the pond is to have my drag ripped out of my ultralight by a bigazz "bream" every afternoon after work with a cocktail in hand. If that means i start over and take some out....or take alot out, or seine, and cull certain ones....i'm up for it.
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Fixed it - see below

http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=157117&page=1

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Are you going to stock predator fish to eat the BG , HBG etc.?
















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Ewest,
seems the second link on your earlier post is broken. I'd like to bookmark them for future reference, can you check the second one?


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Keep in mind that my pictures that ewest posted above are adult mature BG at least 8" long. Generally for smaller BG individuals the body characteristics are not as pronounced.

Note - all the fish in the above pics except two above by jpws are pure strain BG. The two larger fish in the last picture are HBG. Notice the vertical body stripes on most of those smaller BG in jpws's pictures.

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Bill - and the two larger ( fat) fish you noted as HBG i think were my "home made" fish that were already in the pond. Everything i put in were BG ( the top 3 pix) despite being told i was getting HBG.

So, given i have some mixture of Mutt HBG in there already i suppose i let it run to create more of a Mutt mixture???....or clean it out and start over.

My original plan was to put in 15-20 HSB as predator fish.
BUT, now that I've realized that i have pond full of primarily BG ( vs HBG), should than change my predator fish strategy? Do i put in more HSB to control the explosion of BG ( if so, how many in a .2 acre pond), or go LMB? And finally, i suppose the HSB would be 3-5".....or would one suggest any larger, and if there any benefit ( or not) to stocking those this Fall, or wait until SPring20.

Suggestions are appreciated!
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Ideally you should have some 9"-12" bass to immediately start eating those 3" BG so they do not over populate in the next few years. If you don't have access to the larger LMB you can build or buy a clover leaf fish trap that will catch hundreds of those 2"-4" BG before winter. You don't want all those BG spawning next spring or you will have BG overpopulation. In spring before the spawn add the fingerling LMB or if you have fish small enough (1") for fingerling bass to eat then add small bass asap. You can add HSB with LMB and both will eat small BG but the LMB will be the best BG eaters.

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Buying Try: eBay cloverleaf fish trap
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IS the reason you are suggesting predators to start eating now, because i stocked BG instead of HBG?

i stocked 300 BG ( supposed to be HBG) and 100 RES 45 days ago.
My guess is that there were 50?? in their prior to stocking.
i've never seen any "fry" whatsoever.

ALso i'm building a trap tomorrow. I'll report what i catch.


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Here is a thread with a bunch of pictures of RESxGSF hybrids and potential hybrids to help with identification.

GSF always have a translucent orangish or whitish border on their opercular tab. Some are more prominent that others. At times in the past I think I have mistaken a GSF for a hybrid with some RES in it because the particular GSF just had a more pronounced orangish border.

What I find in the ones I am sure are hybrid RESxGSF (because they came from a pond with no BG) is 1. the border is darker and more solid rather than translucent and 2. often is "broken" rather than being a consistent color around the entire border. You can see some very good examples of this on page 6 of the thread.

RESxGSF hybrid thread
I think they are really pretty fish. I had a forage pond with mostly RES but a few GSF and created loads of RESxGSF hybrids from that pond. I really like them.
If you have a BG with anything other than a "solid" ear tab, it is a hybrid of some persuasion.

Good luck on your BG management.

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fantastic - thanks for the pix. Those fish are pigs!
I'm trying to determine if i should REMOVE some of the 300 BG that are 1-3" from my pond that were just stocked..

Today my fish supplier admitted that the photos I showed them of the fish i got were BG, and not HBG. ( just as all of you confirmed).
Given what i had in there already was a natural cross of BG and GSH, my homemade Hybrid of sorts, should i now leave all those in and cut back on the # of BG - those that i just stocked? The supplier was very sorry and said the guys must have scooped from the wrong box. They said they'd bring me from 4 hrs away some larger size HSB or LMB, and/or larger size HBG - my choice, however many i want.




QUESTION -
1. should i trash some of the BG just stocked, and leave all the mutts?
2. PRedator - should i add LMB AND HSB, or just one or the other - and, how many of each.
3. I'm putting out 2 cloverleaf traps today. Do i trash some BG, or let the predators i will put in soon take care of them?



And, BTW, here is a video link of hand feeding them this morning. A 12oz cup of hand thrown Optimal is gone pretty much as fast as it hits the water.

https://vimeo.com/353629233


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