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#509647 - 08/01/19 01:18 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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I'm so lost...I thought your BOW was literally brand new and you've got BG, CC, and TP??? You've also already got some macrophytes growing [Sago].

So many questions: Why did you stock BG? What size were they to accurately determine gender? You know how many times I've made just one mistake the last several years and had to drain, seine and nuke and start over???? You're livin' on the edge crazy man!

When did you stock TP, and why? Are they keeping up with FA? This is news to me.

Can't believe you already have macrophytes established...typically this is year 2 or 3 in the Midwest. That's GREAT, but I'm dumbfounded!

What in the hell is an 8 lb CC doing in your brand new pond?

HBG?

I feel like I don't even know you anymore.

PS: Those RES are so AWESOME!!!!! Optimal Jr?

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#509648 - 08/01/19 01:30 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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grin=TJ!!!
BG (30) were added this summer early at about 4"-all verified males..
Tilapia were stocked (40 4-6", 50 2-3") first week of June to help control FA or my suspicions of what was to come (and it did). Sago came on strong after adding some shoots about May 1.. 20-some hardy lilies started, some bull rushes, arrowhead and some real nice APW.
BTW, Tilapia are NOT keeping up.
Verified SMB recruitment about 2 weeks ago and the cats were put in (10) to control tiger salamander larval stage, I've removed 6 cats now. Drill a 1/16" hole through a piece of Optimal bass, thread line through, tie to #8 hook, chuck and wait.. :-))
P.S. Opti Jr, yes..
I put the cats in before any forage was stocked well over a year ago, Tigers will blow up in a ditch with water over night here. I had no clue the cats would be so hard to remove and no, the cats were not 8lbs when put in.. 3, maybe 3.5 so eating something but every one I've removed is full of algae, can't find even a bone in stomach contents.


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#510124 - 08/11/19 05:11 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Update: After a couple of nights of soaking and saturating the ground, the big one came last nigh, algae clogged drain pipe and water breached dam. Don't know how much flow-through I had but I'd say all of it 3 times.
I now have a boat with a 6hp outboard on bottom somewhere with a solar panel mount and panel assembly with multiple other items in basin somewhere.
I'm sure by the looks of everything around pond, there can't be much for fish left. When weather clears up, I'll drain and assess it and make a decision.
22 years and never a flow event like this. It don't rain here like that, ever.
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#510125 - 08/11/19 06:07 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Ugh, that makes me want to puke. Iím sorry to hear that.
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#510135 - 08/11/19 10:16 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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I appreciate your Comment, NEDOC. To make matters worse, it has built again this eve and as of right now we have received another 2.75" in 55 minutes. Guessing my dam will be gone by morning.
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#510147 - 08/12/19 04:25 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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#510155 - 08/12/19 07:44 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Originally Posted By: Snipe
Update: After a couple of nights of soaking and saturating the ground, the big one came last nigh, algae clogged drain pipe and water breached dam. Don't know how much flow-through I had but I'd say all of it 3 times.
I now have a boat with a 6hp outboard on bottom somewhere with a solar panel mount and panel assembly with multiple other items in basin somewhere.
I'm sure by the looks of everything around pond, there can't be much for fish left. When weather clears up, I'll drain and assess it and make a decision.
22 years and never a flow event like this. It don't rain here like that, ever.


That is horrible Snipe. So sorry to hear that.

There have been some other threads about dam breeches where a lot more fish stayed behind than people thought would. So cross your fingers, maybe quite a few of the larger fish stayed behind and did not go with the flow.
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#510156 - 08/12/19 07:51 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Originally Posted By: Snipe
I appreciate your Comment, NEDOC. To make matters worse, it has built again this eve and as of right now we have received another 2.75" in 55 minutes. Guessing my dam will be gone by morning.


Hoping for a positive update this morning.
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#510158 - 08/12/19 08:00 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: NEDOC]
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For anyone reading this thread this is an important reminder of three things.

1. Make sure your overflow pipe stays open, and
2. Make sure in the pond design there is plenty of freeboard to handle temporary over fill, and
3. Make sure in your pond design you have an emergency overflow that is either grassed or rip-rap to the point it will not wash out and is way, way, way larger and over capacity than you think you will ever need.


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#510160 - 08/12/19 08:08 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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I hate to hear of your bad luck...I'm hoping the best for you!
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#510164 - 08/12/19 09:47 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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That's the kind of thing that will make a grown man cry.

Really sorry to hear it.

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#510183 - 08/12/19 05:17 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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A neighbor of mine had the spillway wash out on his seven acre pond, reducing it to about 5.5 acres with lots of shallows. There's not much he can do to fix it short of spending 100k. It has about 400 acres of watershed. It only lasted a few years.

So sorry about all the flooding. It was doing so well.
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#510198 - 08/13/19 05:37 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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That sucks, Snipe. I hope itís not as bad as you think.
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#510265 - 08/14/19 12:06 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Sorry to hear this Snipe! I hope everything can be worked out.
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#510268 - 08/14/19 01:27 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Kenny let's talk today/tonight. I'm here to help you assess the situation and suggest some strategy moving forward. Only bright spot is at least it's a new fishery...you know, didn't lose any 5# SMB.

I'm not convinced you lost a lot of fish...per Lusk, most fish swim against the current except GC. I'd be more focused on retrieving your boat, motor and aeration system. We can rebuild the fishery if it's even needed.
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#510283 - 08/14/19 11:39 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Water is down about 4' now, I can just now start to see bow of boat.
I did get all 4 batts out, control panel and pump that "was" 7' above full pool level, pump and motor are now torn down, I'll see what I can save there. I can't believe the items that flushed around the dam.. Emergency spillway is totally exposed now and to my surprise-somehow-the grass seems to have held it together without cutting anything up..The one thing I did right was plant a waterway mix 2 years ahead of finishing the seal and filling pond, that might possibly have saved the dam. I feel blessed for that alone. I guess we'll never know for sure what went over and what stayed but I did watch 2 smb today in a shallow area banging FHM in a shallow grassy flat spot.
In my sediment ponds above the irony is the water is "clean"..as-in I can see bottom through the tall grass in about 15-16" water. Also seen a few Tilapia and another small smb in there, might have seen a RES too, could see the black opercular and dark tail.
If there is anything about this that I can smile about, it would be the massive mats of FA, HIGH UP ON THE BANK!
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#510284 - 08/14/19 11:58 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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It's great to hear your dam held up!
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#510285 - 08/15/19 12:06 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Yeah Bob, not what I was expecting to see.. The gent that built my dam is known for super high quality work and I think my efforts at grassing it early helped also.
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#510286 - 08/15/19 12:39 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Glad your dam held up!

I've had two flooding events the last four years and neither was much fun. After 2016 flood caused lots of erosion, I had heavy rocks trucked in. Between the rocks and established grass, second event this spring was far less damaging.

Hope you will find what I did: Only the little guys like to go with the flow. Big fish, including panfish, are much more safety conscious than YOY. We had hundreds of BG stranded along emergency spillway, not a one larger than 3 or 4 inches.


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#510293 - 08/15/19 08:53 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Glad to hear it turned out much better than you feared Snipe.
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#510295 - 08/15/19 09:21 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Very good news. I hope it all works out for ya. Sounds like you got a man made reef at the bottom right now.
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#510298 - 08/15/19 11:05 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Sounds like things are all going to be better than anticipated. Great to hear snipe.
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#510575 - 08/20/19 11:58 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Pumped the final 3' down the last couple of days and am back to normal pool. I have lovely coffee colored water from nutrients but it is clear coffee if that makes sense.
We got some work done where water flow removed some areas of earth, although fairly minor, I leveled, spread grass seed and put erosion blankets down while it's wet.
I have observed a few good SMB, a few yoy SMB, LOTS of RES YOY and a few adults. I'm not seeing the masses of FHM adults I was but large numbers of fry of all sizes. I have not seen a single YP yet but Cloverleaf traps will tell me what's up there.
We made a trek down stream today which in NW KS is wide open, flat pasture for the most part and I was able to spot and collect some specimens of several species (all high n dry btw). I found about 40 YOY SMB, 1 adult SMB, 3 BG, 1 RES adult and 2 5-6" YP.
We went nearly 5 miles until we came to a CRP field that had a sharp draw. The flow was very wide in this basin but slow so water was not "fast and furious". Not sure how much further measurable water went so what we found is probably incomplete but most of the fish I found were in about a half-mile stretch where it was really wide, like 250-300 yards wide. Amazing how fast she soaked in. Had hopes of finding a pool or 2 that may have supported life. Not sure that many fish left with water flow so maybe I have more left than I know??
I did find a dozen or so Tilapia UPSTREAM in my sediment pond so I know which way they wanted to go. When water level was down to a small area I was able to net and toss those back in to pond.
Life goes forward and fall net samples will hopefully give me a partial idea of where I go from here.
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#510631 - 08/22/19 09:10 AM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Do you have any sense of if you got a bunch of sediment washed into the pond?
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#510637 - 08/22/19 01:10 PM Re: New Pond in NW KS. [Re: Snipe]
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Not so much sediment but water is tannic so my nutrient level is very high. Grass (Switch, western wheat) held and slowed the flow. Looks like flow through areas are clean of sediment coming in but water is going to be "hot" with phos, etc again for awhile.
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