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#509819 - 08/05/19 03:20 PM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Registered: 08/20/04
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Iíll probably see how deep the root system is after the summer and go from there. Right now they have to be approaching 18Ē long. That should get them through most Nebraska winters.
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#509825 - 08/05/19 04:35 PM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Loc: FLX, New York
Originally Posted By: Quarter Acre
Very good Snipe, maybe mine are not far behind.

Beautiful flowers.


QA, if you have a little time, maybe keep two or three of your cloned plants in a 5 gal bucket for a few days until they use up the nutrients and see if they bloom. I think there is a direct correlation between vegetation growth and the lack of bloom. You may be able to force it into action.

Snipe's photo doesn't seem to show near the aggressive cloning reproduction that yours did.

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#509827 - 08/05/19 04:41 PM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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As much as I like the flowers, I am a bit concerned about the seeds getting into the pond and germinating next year (some say that they will reappear the following year near my hardy zone and the seeds can stay viable for 15 years). So, no flowers at the pond would be sad, but a relief also. I will throw a couple in a bucket next time I cull and see what happens.

Snipe is quite a ways further north of me which may have something to do with the slower reproduction (cooler temps), but he may not have the available nutrients like my muddy hole has.
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#509834 - 08/05/19 06:47 PM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Originally Posted By: Quarter Acre
As much as I like the flowers, I am a bit concerned about the seeds getting into the pond and germinating next year (some say that they will reappear the following year near my hardy zone and the seeds can stay viable for 15 years). So, no flowers at the pond would be sad, but a relief also. I will throw a couple in a bucket next time I cull and see what happens.

Snipe is quite a ways further north of me which may have something to do with the slower reproduction (cooler temps), but he may not have the available nutrients like my muddy hole has.


My hyacinth are growing and spreading much quicker in my large nutrient rich pond than in my grow out pond where I flush fresh water through regularly. FWIW.
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#509851 - 08/06/19 08:35 AM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Thanks FLX...as you mentioned in another thread, your video post got buried and slipped by me.

It's really interesting at my recently renovated pond (3 years ago) . I have always considered it high in nutrients, but without much science to back it up. Mainly because it's always muddy, it can grow some FA where any light penetrates, cattle pastures in the watershed, and consistent algae blooms where some get kinda scary. My latest test results indicated ZERO nitrates, ZERO phosphates, and just bit more than Zero ammonia. DO levels are OK, but not great (5-6ppm) and the pH is almost always perfect (very near 7).

With the WH flowering aspect weighing in from your video, it suggest high nutrients too, but I don't think my test results suggest that. Either way , removing about a bucket a day seems a bit low because at one time they were doubling every week or so and they seems to have slowed down with no blooms. I still wonder it the FA is choking the smaller ones, but I don't have the gumption to manicure them.
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#509854 - 08/06/19 09:05 AM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Loc: FLX, New York
As they say about 2nd year ME students after they have passed a statics course, I know just enough to be dangerous.

It sounds like the WH are a fun addition to your eco-system. As long as they don't get out of hand, they have to be contributing to the "balance" of the BOW.

I'll be looking back at your log posts to see what I can learn. there is a lot of info there. YAY DATA!

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#510469 - 08/18/19 10:09 AM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Culling has slowed to about four 5-gallon buckets a week. I'm not sure why. My guesses are...

1.) The root systems seem to be crowded or saturated with dirt and nutrients even though I manage to keep some (5-10%) open space in the corrals. The coral closest to an aerator (10-15 feet)is outperforming the other in quantity, quality, and size, but not by much.

2.) Nutrient levels in the pond are lacking (theory), but I have had no flowers to date. Test results show zero (to near zero) nitrates, ammonia, & phosphates, but there as been ample surface scum/blooms this year.

3.) I may have been sent dwarfs...do they exhibit less aggressive growth compared to the standards?

All in all, the weather and pond temps have been right were they like it. I'm not complaining, just curious about their tapered production rates.

I have put a few plants in a bucket of well water to see what they do. I suspect that the bucket will get pretty hot during the day which may affect the outcome, but putting them in the shade would too...so, it is what it is.

Edit: added photos for the record...





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#510484 - 08/18/19 10:37 PM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Iíve put some in my grow out pond that I cycle water through regularly to manage nutrients and I get very little response from wh. In my larger pond that is nutrient rich they grow like crazy. Iím thinking those in your bucket may not do much.
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#510491 - 08/19/19 08:08 AM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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There's a possibility that the WH blooms when nutrients run low, so, I have put some of my culled plants in a bucket with well water to see if they bloom sooner than the ones in the pond (or fade and die).
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#510500 - 08/19/19 10:08 AM Re: Reducing Nutrient Levels in Small Pond with Plants [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Loc: SC Nebraska
Mine has really taken off now. I'm about to mount my Texas Hunter on it and deploy it.

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