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#509017 - 07/17/19 09:58 AM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: anthropic]
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Originally Posted By: anthropic
Is there any chance that southern bred musky, such as flourish in Tennessee, could live in my NE Texas BOW? Sure would be fun to have a few, if they could survive summer. My deepest water is around 21 feet and I don't aerate, so a thermal refuge sets up right around 9 or 10 feet deep in July/Aug/Sep.

Central Ohio 22 acre BOW stocked 25 12 inch TM and they did well, growing to about 38/39 inches. Reduced excess LMB numbers with positive effects on LMB size & BG.

I know this sounds crazy, and the odds are against, but then HSB in ponds was crazy, too.


Does your pond have springs in it by chance? The reading I've done has articles claiming pure strain muskie handle warmer water better, but I've also come across sources claiming tigers handle warmer water better. I have read of lakes in New Mexico with them, but I'm certain those were high elevation reservoirs. Bruce and myself have bodies of water around here ranging from .5 acres to 11 acres that they have survived in.

This is just my gut feeling here, but I have a feeling they will survive here, and possibly at your latitude, until reaching a certain size. Bill Cody and others may know better, but from my reading it seems like the cool water and oxygen demands are greater the larger the fish becomes. I have no idea what that size may be, but my gut tells me yours would survive for a few years until reaching a size where their demand for cool oxygenated water surpasses your ponds accessibility. Thats just my two cents.
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#509018 - 07/17/19 09:59 AM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: anthropic]
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Originally Posted By: anthropic
Is there any chance that southern bred musky, such as flourish in Tennessee, could live in my NE Texas BOW? Sure would be fun to have a few, if they could survive summer. My deepest water is around 21 feet and I don't aerate, so a thermal refuge sets up right around 9 or 10 feet deep in July/Aug/Sep.

Central Ohio 22 acre BOW stocked 25 12 inch TM and they did well, growing to about 38/39 inches. Reduced excess LMB numbers with positive effects on LMB size & BG.

I know this sounds crazy, and the odds are against, but then HSB in ponds was crazy, too.


If I were you I'd order 20 and try raising them in cages to see how they respond. Just a thought.
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#509032 - 07/17/19 04:04 PM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: mbj4ksu]
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Thanks for the words of wisdom, NEDOC! You've given me a lot to think about. I have fond memories of those big TM in Ohio, and they do function as a natural check on excess LMB numbers. I'd have thought pure Muskies would be more heat tolerant than TM, as the NP are cold water fish, but maybe hybrid vigor wins out. Worth looking into, at least.
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#509039 - 07/17/19 05:23 PM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: anthropic]
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Originally Posted By: anthropic
Thanks for the words of wisdom, NEDOC! You've given me a lot to think about. I have fond memories of those big TM in Ohio, and they do function as a natural check on excess LMB numbers. I'd have thought pure Muskies would be more heat tolerant than TM, as the NP are cold water fish, but maybe hybrid vigor wins out. Worth looking into, at least.


I think if your pond has spring water they could survive. In NW Nebraska there are some pike that survive in lakes that are very shallow and would be rather warm if not for the springs. So if you have them I'd give it a try.
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#509046 - 07/17/19 11:08 PM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: mbj4ksu]
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We have Pike in the very SW corner of NE just north of me and they do very well in 3 of the lakes there, one has pure strain Muskie and they've done well for 25+ years now.
I will add the TM is more likely to be successful due to being a hybrid. Just like Saugeye, they tolerate much lower water quality and higher temps than either parent. The aggressive nature of a hybrid would work in your favor as well I think.


Edited by Snipe (07/17/19 11:13 PM)
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#509047 - 07/17/19 11:11 PM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: mbj4ksu]
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For those that have Muskie have you seen a negative impact to growing big bass?

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#509049 - 07/17/19 11:32 PM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: masterbasser316]
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Originally Posted By: masterbasser316
For those that have Muskie have you seen a negative impact to growing big bass?


I think it depends on the size of Muskie you have. TM prefer bass and sunfish about 20% their length. And suckers carp and Shad around 25-30% their length. So if you have an over abundance of 6-8 bass hurting your larger bass then Id think a few 30 fish would help.
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#509050 - 07/17/19 11:33 PM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: Snipe]
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Originally Posted By: Snipe
We have Pike in the very SW corner of NE just north of me and they do very well in 3 of the lakes there, one has pure strain Muskie and they've done well for 25+ years now.
I will add the TM is more likely to be successful due to being a hybrid. Just like Saugeye, they tolerate much lower water quality and higher temps than either parent. The aggressive nature of a hybrid would work in your favor as well I think.


Always good info snipe. Thanks for the input.
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#509051 - 07/17/19 11:48 PM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: mbj4ksu]
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Swanson is pike heaven, Enders has Pike and Muskie, Rock Creek has Pike. All grow healthy fish with what seems to be better than average recruitment for Pike but I don't believe the Muskie have ever successfully reproduced, annual stockings only.
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#509053 - 07/18/19 04:26 AM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: Snipe]
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Loc: East Texas, USA
Originally Posted By: Snipe
We have Pike in the very SW corner of NE just north of me and they do very well in 3 of the lakes there, one has pure strain Muskie and they've done well for 25+ years now.
I will add the TM is more likely to be successful due to being a hybrid. Just like Saugeye, they tolerate much lower water quality and higher temps than either parent. The aggressive nature of a hybrid would work in your favor as well I think.


Great info, I wasn't aware of this. Thanks, Snipe!


Edited by anthropic (07/18/19 04:30 AM)
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#509058 - 07/18/19 07:11 AM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: mbj4ksu]
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Frank, Get some! smile Without aeration at your place and if you have water depths to 15' or more you will have a thermocline and I think that water may support this type of fish for awhile during the heat. As Bob Lusk describes how our lmb will lay in the upper edge of that thermo then maybe others will lay in there also. One possible problem with all that is they might eat my Lonestar Legacy/Camelot Belle Trophy's and I don't like that idea.


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#509066 - 07/18/19 08:39 AM Re: Tiger Muskie [Re: mbj4ksu]
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One word of caution to anyone who may want to get some... you may consider growing them out for a bit as the 8-10 ones look like theyd be an awfully easy snack for an 18 plus largemouth.
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