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#505893 - 05/15/19 09:24 AM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
Mike Whatley Offline


Registered: 04/22/18
Posts: 1210
Loc: Louisiana
If you're using a circle hook, I'd run it from its bottom jaw up through the nostril. Thats how I rig live shiners for bass. Live bait is usually taken head first. Circle hook will cut way down on gut hooking your HSB.
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#505902 - 05/15/19 11:05 AM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: Mike Whatley]
Augie Offline


Registered: 10/29/18
Posts: 226
Loc: Boone County Missouri
Through the eye sockets works pretty good too.

Ditto the circle hook recommendation.

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#505989 - 05/16/19 02:18 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
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Source hand throw LMB pellets, HSB prefer them, will soon get trained to look for them primarily provided their gape is sufficient. Optimal LMB pellets are smaller than AM - that's what I'd try. Once your HSB are used to taking the larger pellet it's very simple process to collect them anytime you're feeding with pellet fly or pantyhose wrapped pellet. If they exist in your fishery, you're guaranteed to get a strike - just set and reel it in. I advise laying off HSB angling once water temps hit 80s as they can fight themselves to exhaustion/death. I shut down all fishing from late June until September as I've lost too many trophy SMB and HSB even with a quick fight and clean release. Just not worth the risk for me.
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#506192 - 05/20/19 03:25 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
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Jeff - did you get a chance to review this post regarding HSB sampling? Call me if you want happy to help as always.
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#506200 - 05/20/19 06:55 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
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Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1547
Loc: NE Missouri
TJ, I just now read the post. Sorry about that. Thanks for the info. Iím headed back up on Friday. I have Optima LMB feed now, so Iíll try hand tossing some from the boat. Iíve also got some flies that look like pellets, although they sink.
We just keep getting crazy rain. Had 1.5Ē Sunday evening. Supposed to get more tonight, tomorrow, and almost every day for the next week.
We were out over the weekend, so I havenít seen it for a week.

Iíll also get some circle hooks. Not sure what they even look like. Arenít they the ones that set themselves. Iíll do some research.

Thx


Edited by SetterGuy (05/20/19 06:58 PM)
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#506210 - 05/20/19 10:06 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
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Registered: 10/29/18
Posts: 226
Loc: Boone County Missouri
Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
Iíll also get some circle hooks. Not sure what they even look like. Arenít they the ones that set themselves. Iíll do some research.


I like the Gamakatsu Octopus circle hooks for fishing live or cut bait. I expect there are other brands that work equally as well.

Live bait under a float or free-lined - the hook will set itself, almost always in the corner of the mouth,
when the fish runs with the bait. Same deal tight-lined on the bottom. They work great and you will rarely, if ever, gut-hook a fish.

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#506212 - 05/21/19 12:40 AM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
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Jeff - I cut and tie pantyhose around a LMB pellet and tie off top with some sewing thread and trim off the top excess hose. I run a size 2 octopus hook through the pantyhose, cast, and hang the heck on. Of course you want your HSB to start anticipating your hand thrown pellets - get them acclimated to a pattern, then you can start angling for them during feeding time. If you use braid I find a 8-12" 12# mono or floro leader provides a margin of error on hookset and provides stealthier presentation, too. Bear in mind my HSB will not feed until dusk or during cloudy conditions...so evening is the best time for me. I can walk you through this if you want to call...always make time for PB Family.
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#506213 - 05/21/19 12:40 AM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: Augie]
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Originally Posted By: Augie
Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
Iíll also get some circle hooks. Not sure what they even look like. Arenít they the ones that set themselves. Iíll do some research.


I like the Gamakatsu Octopus circle hooks for fishing live or cut bait. I expect there are other brands that work equally as well.

Live bait under a float or free-lined - the hook will set itself, almost always in the corner of the mouth,
when the fish runs with the bait. Same deal tight-lined on the bottom. They work great and you will rarely, if ever, gut-hook a fish.


Yep, good advice here.
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#506219 - 05/21/19 06:46 AM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
SetterGuy Offline


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1547
Loc: NE Missouri
Thank you both! Iíll try this weekend with the hand tossed feed. Will stop today and get some circle hooks. I would assume my HSB are dusk feeders also..
Iíve watched the last few years, some pretty big swirls around the pond. I know they have to have been made by a pretty good sized fish. I also see schools of fry jumping out of the water as they are being pursued by another big swirl or wake. Iím sure some are my SMB, but Iíve always had hope that some HSB survived. I have a lot of GS, so if they are there, they should be healthy.
Hooking them in the corner of the mouth sounds good also. Do they make a small enough hook that the grandkids could use them for worms? I keep all the male YP they catch no matter how they are hooked, but a few of the females have been hooked deep and Iíve had to keep them.
Thanks again
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#506226 - 05/21/19 09:21 AM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
Augie Offline


Registered: 10/29/18
Posts: 226
Loc: Boone County Missouri
Eagle Claw L787
Owner 5185, 51775114
Gamakatsu 02506, 02507
Berkeley FSN19DRSH2, FSN19DRSH4, FSN19DRSH6

All of these are in the size 2-8 range.

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#506227 - 05/21/19 10:26 AM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: Augie]
SetterGuy Offline


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1547
Loc: NE Missouri
Originally Posted By: Augie
Eagle Claw L787
Owner 5185, 51775114
Gamakatsu 02506, 02507
Berkeley FSN19DRSH2, FSN19DRSH4, FSN19DRSH6

All of these are in the size 2-8 range.


Thanks Augie, Iím in CoMo today, hopefully will have time to swing by BassPro before heading back home.

Edit, these hooks really wouldnít be a good fit with the grandkids, worms, and bobbers would they? Weíve been teaching them to set the hook, and you donít set the hook with these, correct?


Edited by SetterGuy (05/21/19 11:56 AM)
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#506247 - 05/21/19 01:26 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
Matzilla Offline


Registered: 08/12/16
Posts: 401
Loc: Iowa
they'll work fine under a bobber for YP. By the time the kids see the bobber take off, the fish is already hooked for the most part. A smaller sized non circle octopus will usually not gut hook a fish when under a bobber. Using ice jigs will greatly reduce gut hooking as well

BTW I've only seen my hsb feed twice....and have never caught one haha I sure hope they're still in the pond


Edited by Matzilla (05/21/19 01:27 PM)
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#506251 - 05/21/19 01:58 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: Matzilla]
SetterGuy Offline


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1547
Loc: NE Missouri
Originally Posted By: Matzilla


BTW I've only seen my hsb feed twice....and have never caught one haha I sure hope they're still in the pond


Ha! Iím not alone!! All I hear is how hard they fight. I hope this is the summer I actually see one.
Thx

Got in and out of BassPro for under $100. I did get three packs of hooks. crazy


Edited by SetterGuy (05/21/19 02:11 PM)
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#506260 - 05/21/19 04:45 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
Quarter Acre Offline


Registered: 06/10/16
Posts: 1617
Loc: West Central Missouri
The HSB are very illusive, mine just started showing themselves, since last year, IF the the breeze blows feed far enough into the pond. They are unmistakable when they surface!
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#506264 - 05/21/19 04:56 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: Quarter Acre]
SetterGuy Offline


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1547
Loc: NE Missouri
Originally Posted By: Quarter Acre
The HSB are very illusive, mine just started showing themselves, since last year, IF the the breeze blows feed far enough into the pond. They are unmistakable when they surface!


I had some really Big and aggressive feeding going on early this spring at the feeder, but now not so much, at least for the last few weeks. I couldnít tell if they were SMB or what (HSB)?


Edited by SetterGuy (05/21/19 05:11 PM)
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#506778 - 06/01/19 10:56 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
SetterGuy Offline


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1547
Loc: NE Missouri
TJ, I was at the pond this morning. Still just running 4 seconds twice a day. I hadnít been there when the feeder went off for several weeks. The feed was gone in less than a minute. I thought about adding time, but I think 90% of the feed is being eaten by the HBG. Iím not all that interested in helping them. I put out a trap and caught 20+ fish. All HBG, except for one Golden Shiner. Maybe my RES have crossed with the HBG. Not sure. This one may be pure RES.

Heís stuffed full of Optima.


Edited by SetterGuy (06/01/19 10:58 PM)
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#506780 - 06/01/19 11:38 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
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Registered: 10/27/16
Posts: 467
Loc: Jefferson County Missouri
Jeff, that's a pretty fish!
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#506826 - 06/03/19 12:49 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
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Hey Jeff that's a beautiful looking GRES! Did you hand feed LMB pellets? Only your SMB and HSB should be able to handle that diameter.
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#506829 - 06/03/19 01:35 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
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Beautiful colors ! Looks like a HBG X RES.
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#506848 - 06/03/19 05:42 PM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
SetterGuy Offline


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1547
Loc: NE Missouri
Thanks all. Out of about 20 in the fish trap, there were three or four that had this coloration.
TJ, I was on the mower most of the time I was at the farm. Spent about an hour at the pond, near sunset, then went back early the following morning for about an hour. I havenít had time to hand toss any feed. I do have the BG and LMB feeds mixed in the TH Feeder. I know itís throwing at that rate 50/50. All the feed is gone in seconds. I see a flash and a swirl, but I canít see what fish is taking what feed. Some of these HBG crosses have much larger mouths. Possibly they, or possibly the YP might be eating the Optima LMB? We have rain tonight and for the next three days. I believe our drought is over. My renter sprayed roundup on the fields above the pond. The weeds are history, now more and more rain. Iím getting great runoff. Possibly too much, and now some erosion from the fields. My water has a weird color, almost like tea. Keeps visibility down to a few inches. Hopefully the rain will eventually let up, and the water will clear. The fish can sure see the food though.
Edit, well, the pic doesnít look much like tea, but itís a different brown than it was when full of suspended clay.


Edited by SetterGuy (06/03/19 05:43 PM)
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#508532 - 07/06/19 07:04 AM Re: Zero activity when feeder goes off?? [Re: SetterGuy]
SetterGuy Offline


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1547
Loc: NE Missouri
TJ, I tried hand feeding yesterday. 8:00-8:15. I threw a few handfuls of Optima Bass food out. Nothing came up for it. I waited 20 min. Tried two spots, both had the same result. Out of curiosity I ran the feeder for a few seconds. It was cleaned up after a bit, but not as fast as usual. My feeder goes off a 7:00. (Iíll push it back to 8:30 today)
Some larger fish hit the surface hard. Not sure if they were taking feed, or other fish. As usual, the only fish I could clearly identify were the HBG. Canít clearly see YP. Water clarity is only about 12Ē. I believe itís algae, not suspended clay. Maybe some staining from the millions of hardwood leaves that fall in the pond every fall.
Iíll try hand throwing again, probably on Mon or Tues..
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5 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (way too many), SMB, and HSB (rumored..)
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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