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#505087 - 04/30/19 10:11 PM Roundup
jwetovick Offline


Registered: 04/08/16
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Loc: Nebraska
I realize rodeo is meant for aquatic but is there anyone that has experienced fish kill using regular roundup slash glysophate? Just curious if there truuuly is a difference other than double the price. Iím looking to spray some cattails. Thanks.

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#505089 - 04/30/19 10:18 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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Registered: 04/22/18
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We used roundup to keep our boat trail clear of cattails on the duck lease. We hit it as soon as it started to green up and it worked well. We weren't too worried about fish kills in the marsh, tho.
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#505091 - 04/30/19 10:55 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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IIRC the difference between Rodeo and Roundup is in the "inert" ingredients.

Recommending that someone deviate from the manufacturer's labeled appropriate usage instruction is probably not a good idea from a liability standpoint.
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#505095 - 04/30/19 11:17 PM Re: Roundup [Re: Mike Whatley]
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Judging by the feeding frenzy of liability lawyers, you better buy some Roundup soon before it is taken off the market. Sad.
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#505096 - 04/30/19 11:56 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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Aqua Star Herbicide is the generic version of Rodeo and should be cheaper.
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#505099 - 05/01/19 01:15 AM Re: Roundup [Re: anthropic]
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Originally Posted By: anthropic
Judging by the feeding frenzy of liability lawyers, you better buy some Roundup soon before it is taken off the market. Sad.


Sad, unless it causes cancer, right?
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#505122 - 05/01/19 12:08 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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Loc: Nebraska

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#505125 - 05/01/19 01:30 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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Roundup Custom is what you need for aquatic use. You dd your own surfactant.
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#505551 - 05/09/19 09:41 AM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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I use roundup twice a year around our pond and have never had a fish kill. Not even the minnows.
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#505640 - 05/10/19 07:39 AM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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Follow label directions if you want to keep your pond safe.

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#505661 - 05/10/19 02:05 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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Loc: Ohio
After the news I won't use Roundup any more. Weed whacker works better.

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#505681 - 05/10/19 09:48 PM Re: Roundup [Re: wannapond0001]
jwetovick Offline


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Loc: Nebraska
Originally Posted By: wannapond0001
After the news I won't use Roundup any more. Weed whacker works better.

Donít believe all you read. Weed eater donít work when cattails are further out than can reach.

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#505686 - 05/11/19 05:57 AM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/...owa/3624978002/

One rouge agency of the WHO is responsible for this hype while 3 other agencies of the WHO say there is no risk. Every other agency around the world also says no risk. Why would one trust the outlier group?

https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/glyphosate-cancer-data/


Edited by RAH (05/11/19 06:02 AM)

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#505689 - 05/11/19 07:00 AM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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I bought some off brand glyphosate from TSC to kill poison oakIt works. I do wear nurse gloves though.
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#505700 - 05/11/19 09:00 AM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
RAH Offline
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Always smart to take the protective precautions listed in the label.

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#505831 - 05/14/19 09:06 AM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
jwetovick Offline


Registered: 04/08/16
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Loc: Nebraska
Looking into using Rodeo. It appears they suggest spraying when the cattails are mature. I would assume this would be July/August for us Nebraska folks. I was hoping not to have to wait that long as I'd like to try to spray half now and half fall to try and eliminate a big decrease in oxygen levels from the decaying. Anyone had good luck last spring early summer? From what I can tell on the label I'm going to try the 1.5% mixture unless someone has other positive suggestions? Thanks

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#505836 - 05/14/19 11:14 AM Re: Roundup [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Originally Posted By: anthropic
Judging by the feeding frenzy of liability lawyers, you better buy some Roundup soon before it is taken off the market. Sad.


Sad, unless it causes cancer, right?

Practically everything causes cancer if
1) you are exposed to huge amounts of it, or
2) you live in the state of California
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#505839 - 05/14/19 01:46 PM Re: Roundup [Re: Theo Gallus]
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Loc: East Texas, USA
Originally Posted By: Theo Gallus
Originally Posted By: teehjaeh57
Originally Posted By: anthropic
Judging by the feeding frenzy of liability lawyers, you better buy some Roundup soon before it is taken off the market. Sad.


Sad, unless it causes cancer, right?

Practically everything causes cancer if
1) you are exposed to huge amounts of it, or
2) you live in the state of California


Yep. wink Though, to be fair, Louisiana is another state renowned for litigation. Every other billboard on I-20 is an ad for a lawyer to sue someone. No wonder many businesses are reluctant to move there.


Edited by anthropic (05/14/19 01:52 PM)
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#505840 - 05/14/19 01:52 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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There is too much environmental hysteria especially around glyphosate.

Much of it is about power and litigation $.
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#505844 - 05/14/19 02:25 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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Conspiracy Mode ON


When I put on my cynic (tinfoil) hat, I wonder if it is "okay" with Monsanto if Roundup be forced out of use now that Monsanto's patent on Roundup-ready GMO soybeans has expired. They have a lot more money to be made with Combo(Dicamba)-ready GMO beans, and that business is all theirs.

Many soybean farmers are having to switch to Combo-ready beans and Combo herbicide because overspray from a neighbor's Combo use (which it seems to be particularly susceptible to) (("even suspiciously susceptible to" - Theo's Tinfoil Hat)) is killing their Roundup-ready soybeans.

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#505847 - 05/14/19 02:56 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
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Dicamba does not control enough different weeds to be used without glyphosate on row crops. Glyphosate is not even close to being banned. Every government regulatory body around the world has looked at the same data as the WHO group and determined glyphosate does not cause cancer. The same WHO group that concluded glyphosate is a carcinogen also determined that working shift work causes cancer. That group is broken.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreykabat/2017/10/23/iarcs-glyphosate-gate-scandal/#58328d0b1abd

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#505848 - 05/14/19 03:07 PM Re: Roundup [Re: Theo Gallus]
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Loc: Central MO
Responding to Theo G, it does bring up an interesting point,, not at all unlike DuPont coming up with a new Freon for air conditioners every 5 to 8 years, just about the time everybody has upgraded to the new stuff, and the patent runs out, it becomes toxic and conveniently they come up with another new type,, pretty much a racket.
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#505852 - 05/14/19 06:24 PM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
Tom M Offline


Registered: 08/10/18
Posts: 50
Loc: Indiana
Originally Posted By: jwetovick
Looking into using Rodeo. It appears they suggest spraying when the cattails are mature. I would assume this would be July/August for us Nebraska folks. I was hoping not to have to wait that long as I'd like to try to spray half now and half fall to try and eliminate a big decrease in oxygen levels from the decaying. Anyone had good luck last spring early summer? From what I can tell on the label I'm going to try the 1.5% mixture unless someone has other positive suggestions? Thanks

I've used Rodeo on both mature cattails and freshly emerged and both have been successful. It's best to wait until you're sure the new ones are pretty much all sprouted to reduce the need for repeated spraying.

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#505892 - 05/15/19 09:22 AM Re: Roundup [Re: jwetovick]
RAH Offline
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Conspiracy theorists are not a rare breed:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/

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#505903 - 05/15/19 11:14 AM Re: Roundup [Re: RAH]
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Originally Posted By: RAH
Conspiracy theorists are not a rare breed:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6282974/

That's what they WANT you to think. wink
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