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Aquamax MVP appearance #479425 09/02/17 08:41 PM
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Finally received a 50 lb sack of AM MVP today. It says 43% protein on the tag, but looks just like tan colored catfish pellets of uniform 1/4 inch size. Is it supposed to look like that?

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No help here John, never fed the stuff.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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I've been through three different feed companies research facilities over the years. Until that, I didn't know feed color is not always a direct reflection of ingredients. Many feeds have coloring added to them to give them a special color.
Follow the tag. Ingredients are most important. I've been using that product since they introduced it. Grows fish fast.


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I was thinking Aquamax MVP was a mixture of different sizes, but my bag is uniform, rounded, 1/4" pellets.

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Maybe a mislabel? I'm feeding AM500 now and my fish love it. I almost got MVP but was worried about how my feeder would feed it due to different sized pellets. Have you looked down into the bag?? Maybe some of the different sizes migrated down during shipment or movement at the store?? Unlikely but possible.


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I poured the bag contents into a plastic bin. All the pellets are uniform, about 1/4".

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I have been feeding AM MVP since early June when my stockers were released into their new home. When I saw the consistent size of the pellets I thought I had received the wrong Purina chow from the elevator. But the small white label says "Aquamax Sportfish MVP". Pellets are definitely uniform and I just filled up the feeder with the rest of the second bag a week or so ago.

My understanding, based on the Purina web site, is that there are supposed to be a variety of sizes with some floating and some slowly sinking or suspending under the surface. That does not appear to be the case with the 2 bags I have used.

I am going to contact Purina when I have time and try to find out what the story is. Will report back if I have any luck. BM61.

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Sounds hauntingly familiar.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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I bought a bag early spring and it had all the different sizes. I never bought more because my TH Feeder wouldn't throw the larger size.


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Sounds like I might have paid double for a mis-labeled bag of catfish pellets.

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Catfish feed is not 43% but more like 30%.
















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Originally Posted By: ewest
Catfish feed is not 43% but more like 30%.


I am aware of that. I have an inquiry to Purina. The website describes MVP as a mixture of sinking and floating, varying sizes. The pellets that I got labeled Aquamax MVP are all uniform, floating. I think maybe some bags got filled with 32% catfish pellets and labeled as AM MVP.

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I hope you are wrong John. I have gone through almost two bags of MVP since early June and just bought a third to finish out the season. The first two were purchased at the same time so maybe from the same batch (I know, unlikely). I will see what the third bag looks like but the first two had all pellets the same size.

Purina should have better quality control in place than that. After way more than 100 years in business they should have it figured out. BM61.

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Originally Posted By: bassmaster61
I hope you are wrong John. I have gone through almost two bags of MVP since early June and just bought a third to finish out the season. The first two were purchased at the same time so maybe from the same batch (i know, unlikely). I will see what the third bag looks like but the first two had all pellets the same size.

Purina should have better quality control in place than that. After way more than 100 years in business they should have it figured out, BM61.


Yes, please let us know if the third bag is all pellets the same size too. That is not what is advertized. I bought my bag to get a variety that could be fed to both CC and BG of different sizes.

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I have been feeding MVP and mine have pellets of varying sizes and some sink and some float. I think this is the way they are suppose to be. I have been feeding it most of the summer and have liked it.

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Originally Posted By: bassmaster61
I hope you are wrong John. I have gone through almost two bags of MVP since early June and just bought a third to finish out the season. The first two were purchased at the same time so maybe from the same batch (I know, unlikely). I will see what the third bag looks like but the first two had all pellets the same size.

Purina should have better quality control in place than that. After way more than 100 years in business they should have it figured out. BM61.


There should be a lot number somewhere on the bag or the tag to ID what batch each bag came from. Buying 2 bags at the same time at the same place could very likely be from the same lot number.


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Sounds more like you got AM600 instead of AM MVP.....

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I sent an email to the top Purina guys to review this thread. Dr. Michael Schlegel replied:

"The product should be dark brown to black and have 9 different sized particles.

To follow-up with the plant, it would help to know where the product was purchased and provide a picture of the product, bag, and tag. It is helpful to have the lot number. There should be a blue or green sticker on the bag with a 3 digit number followed by 17. Given this information, we can look into this further at the plant."

He also asked to communicate with John Fitzgerald, so I've emailed and brought the them together.

We'll follow up on this thread so everyone can see the results.


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Purchased from Farmers Cooperative in western Arkansas on September 2nd. Lot number 3003410-706. Blue tag: RT 114-17

Here's a pic of pellets and bag. A few of the pellets are a little smaller, but this is typical. They are pictured in the lid of a small size peanut butter jar for size comparison.

Tag says Purina Aquamax Sportfish MVP

43% crude protein.

I am not saying anything is wrong. I never purchased AM MVP before and did not know what it is supposed to look like. That's the reason for the original question. Everything may be fine. CC and BG are eating it well.

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Yeah that don't look dark brown to black to me??? And that sure don't look like 9 different sizes... Maybe 2 or 3 different sizes...

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Bob, I have communicated the same as in my post to the Purina contact who emailed me. Will post when I hear back. As I said, there may be nothing out of order. Never saw AM MVP before, but what i received does not fit the verbal description of it, which could have changed.

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MVP supposed to look like this:

3 sizes, dark brown color

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John......just checked my Lot Number: 3003410-706.....that is the same as yours. I bought my initial 2 bags of MVP at the Jersey Farmers Elevator in Jerseyville, Illinois. They do not stock MVP and had to order mine. It came in their weekly shipment from Purina. My feed also looked the same as your pics. The pellets canyoncreek is showing in his pics are darker than mine...and of course are a variety of sizes. The pellets in my 2 bags of MVP were all about 1/4".

I think we might be onto something here. I have an email out to Purina as well. Sent it Wednesday. Have not heard back yet but mentioned the Pond Boss Forum in my text. Glad to see Bob chimed in. It sounds like Purina will certainly take a close look now. Thanks. BM61.

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Originally Posted By: bassmaster61
John......just checked my Lot Number: 3003410-706.....that is the same as yours. I bought my initial 2 bags of MVP at the Jersey Farmers Elevator in Jerseyville, Illinois. They do not stock MVP and had to order mine. It came in their weekly shipment from Purina. My feed also looked the same as your pics. The pellets canyoncreek is showing in his pics are darker than mine...and of course are a variety of sizes. The pellets in my 2 bags of MVP were all about 1/4".

I think we might be onto something here. I have an email out to Purina as well. Sent it Wednesday. Have not heard back yet but mentioned the Pond Boss Forum in my text. Glad to see Bob chimed in. It sounds like Purina will certainly take a close look now. Thanks. BM61.


Dr. Michael Schlegel has been in contact with me, but said don't expect to hear from him again until sometime next week. From what I have gathered, they want to make things right if something is amiss. I don't know if that would be another bag, coupon, or just an apology, or whatever. We shall see. Nothing may be wrong at all. The formula may have changed, for all I know.

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