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SetterGuy,
thanks for the update and thanks for keeping us posted on ribbons, what you catch, water conditions, and the grass shrimp population.

If you think of it, pack a thermometer (or get a $5 candy thermometer at walmart) and let us know what surface temps are in the shallows. If you have any sun action you will see a difference on the NE vs SW sides of the pond.

Hard to believe you had YP eggs on the 18th last year, that seems early, but like DONO said, I think we all are a little disoriented from the late blast of snow and cold we had. We still have 6" of ice floating in our pond but the edges are showing through. Last year the first ribbon if I recall was about 7-8 days from now in my pond.

We had the 'worm moon' earlier this week (big full moon that coincides with the spring equinox). Maybe this is the trigger that the YP wait for?

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Setter - lots of FA will detract from the plankton density thus less foo food for fry survival. Not much quickly you can do about it. Just a bit of FYI and reference so you really don't want a large amount of YP eggs because most will starve when hatched. I expect eggs soon. Tomorrow I am going 120 mi south near Columbus OH to get YP and he usually has eggs 3rd week in March. I will report back.

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Thanks Bill, I didn’t know FA would do that. Should I remove ribbons, if there’s more than a few this year? The FA is well below the surface. The weeds look clean where I can see them, but bringing in lures last weekend that had hit bottom, were almost always covered in FA. Will see soon enough if there’s any ribbons here.


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SetterGuy, I would trust Bill's advice more than mine.
I can say, though, that with perch and GSH only in my pond that there hasn't been an overpopulation problem. I think DonoBBD said the same thing about his YP/shiners pond that it seemed to stay in balance.
I know the large adult YP will clean up on the YOY perch if they are available

People have proposed that GSH will eat the perch eggs but I have no idea if that is true.

At some point if your HSB don't make a showing then I'm guessing you would be ready to try to stock some HSB again? If the HSB will eventually be your main predator then they should also be able to make a dent in the small YP that will fit in their mouth. Stocking density of HSB will make a difference on the balance of predator/prey, but since you feed you can probably tolerate more YP eggs to grow up to be hungry momma perch.

I hope you have a good day at the pond today and keep us posted, send pictures!

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No ribbons. Day started off with a dead battery in the tractor. Four hours later I was up and running. Lots of leaves and FA preventing me from seeing what’s going on, but I don’t think there are any ribbons yet.

Here’s a look at my shoreline. POND was down 4.5’ late last year. Now full. But while it was down weeds grew up in that gap between lower water level and full level. Now they are all under water. They’ve also grabbed a lot of leaves. Should I try to rake all this out? I thought it would provide good cover for fry, and eventually dissolve away.

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Adult shiners in a perch(YP) pond will not eat the YP eggs but they will eat a lot of swim-up fry especially when the fry go to open water where they do go soon after swim-up. Removing egg ribbons is up to you and managing YP in your specific situation is a learning curve. Keep records of what you do so you have good reference info in future years to benefit your dedisions. Clear water will naturally limit fry survival. your water does not appear clear greater than 16"-20". A few predators in a smaller pond can eat a lot of fingerling YP. FA groupings near shore will allow lots of small invertebrate foods to develop to feed growing small fish. Do not remove all of it maybe just a measurable potion(%) of it.

Perch egg laying 120 miles south of me near Columbus OH has started last week Wed-Thur with just the first few ribbons showing up. One of the grower partners said he had quite a few ribbons as of Saturday but keep in mind he had about 6000 female perch as producers.

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Thanks Bill. I’ll be back up later this week, or next weekend. The water temp at the spot I took the above picture was 54. Out off the dock about 4’ down it was 49. I’ll see how many ribbons I get, if I can see them.

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I've got my tree branches out with water temp at 47 yesterday but I had some snow melt on frozen ground 10-12 days ago that dropped my visibility to near 6" and pond is up 2'. Tomorrow will be spent bringing water back to correct level.
I threw a cloverleaf trap out today for a few hours and had some shiners from 3-5" and really surprising numbers of very large adult fatheads. Just not seeing any ribbons yet and I'm on point to see the first...and the biggest..
I'll have to check latitude on that location Bill.. see where I fall in relation.

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I’m located in west central Ohio, 5 minutes from Indiana line. Seen the first ribbon Saturday and another on Sunday. Both on south side of pond and one in dead grass in big branch I put in last year and another on a cmas tree. Not sure of water temp. My thermometer broke last year. Lake I was on had low to mid 40’s so guessing pond little warmer.
Also started feeding fish and they are hungry. Starting off slow with about 1/4 of why I’ll feed once warmer. Going to put trap out today to see what goes in. Plenty of shiners around and some fatheads still after couple years. Hoping the spotfin numbers are good that I got from your guy bill cody. Thanks again for the info on those.


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I have perch eggs in NW Ohio - 8 ribbons this morning. Water temp 47F.


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Well, I’m glad someone is seeing ribbons! Mine must be underneath the debris along the bank. (At least I hope so.)


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Bill Thanks for the update! Glad to hear that we are right on the cusp of seeing eggs. I wonder if the photoperiod controls or water temps? If it is photoperiod then what state you are in shouldn't matter that much, but where you are in your timezone would matter.

If it is water temps then the southern states should be a week or two ahead. It looks like water temp has to do with it.

I still have 4" thick ice but softening edges. Do perch lay eggs under the ice???

Xraytrapper, great news that you have ribbons too! Let us know how your SFS are doing. I'm trying to get some set up in my pond and would love to know how to gauge success. So far I have not been able to establish FHM, too many hungry YP and not enough cover for the FHM. Hoping somehow the SFS can make it. They are very fast and strong swimmers compared to FHM.

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None visible today west of Indianapolis.

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48 degs..no ribbons visible. :-(

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Holy CRAP! it's like they heard me talking!! First 2 ribbons this am...Yes!!

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Snipe, go to google, and type in 'sunrise sunset' and then the name of your city. See what the total time is between sunrise and sunset. I know this isn't the exact amount of 'daylight' as light exists after sunset. But it should give us an idea.

I checked and we are at sunrise 7:34am and sunset at 8:02pm, what is that 12 hours and 28 minutes?

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Yeah, we gage all of our walleye sets by this.. Today is 12:23.
We base our walleye sets on 12:15 regardless of water temp. Temp controls how soon we get ripe eggs but length of day puts them there.
Water temp this am was 45 degs.
Heading back today for 5 more days of WAE Eggs, I'll get some more pics for all on that thread!

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Oops I had it wrong. Be careful to see how Google gives the dates and times. The numbers in my post above are flipped.

It should be, Sunset TONIGHT in GR, MI is 8:02pm, and sunrise tomorrow is 7:34am, that means we actually have LESS than 12 hours between those times, 11 hours and 32 minutes.

Looks like Kansas City, KS is sunset 7:36pm and sunrise tomorrow at 7:11 which is 25 min short of 12 hours (11hrs, 35min) You have 3 minutes more of sunlight, however at our house, the heavy grouping of trees on the west edge of the pond seems to block out the setting sun more effectively than those who have open fields to the west.

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Hello.

March 26, here there is still ice on half of the pond, an the temperature of the water at 2 celsius, 34 Fahrenheit.

At night with my spot, I see a lot of small Yellow perch, and I see the big Yellow perch that begins to approach the edge.

Thank you canyoncreek.

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Exciting that you can see the big perch heading towards the shallows! keep us posted on your date of first ribbon sighting!

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YEE HAA, the eagle has landed, (well actually I saw my first very tiny ribbon for 2019!!)

2017, March 27
2018, March 29
2019, March 26

Amazing how it is literally almost the same day every year. Same location too, SE corner of pond which gets more sun, about 8" deep and laying randomly on some oak leaves. there is about 5 feet of open water in the shallows and a big ice flow filling the middle and floating around. I guess as soon as there was open water the eggs were dropped.

Hoping we will see more this spring.

Setter guy, scrolling up to 2018 you had your first ribbons on the 22nd and 23rd. Are you later this year?

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"Looks like Kansas City, KS is sunset 7:36pm and sunrise tomorrow at 7:11 which is 25 min short of 12 hours (11hrs, 35min) You have 3 minutes more of sunlight, however at our house, the heavy grouping of trees on the west edge of the pond seems to block out the setting sun more effectively than those who have open fields to the west."=12:25 daylight, actually the same Lat as me.
Exactly the same as here at Cedar Bluff res as well.
I wish I had YP around me that I could gage against the WAE timing.. Looks to be very similar.

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YEE HAA, the eagle has landed, (well actually I saw my first very tiny ribbon for 2019!!)

2017, March 27
2018, March 29
2019, March 26

Amazing how it is literally almost the same day every year. Same location too, SE corner of pond which gets more sun, about 8" deep and laying randomly on some oak leaves. there is about 5 feet of open water in the shallows and a big ice flow filling the middle and floating around. I guess as soon as there was open water the eggs were dropped.

Hoping we will see more this spring.

Setter guy, scrolling up to 2018 you had your first ribbons on the 22nd and 23rd. Are you later this year?


Yep.. No ribbons yet, but I haven’t been up at the pond for two days. Might get up there Saturday. They could be there, just beneath the weeds. Hope so!


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I found the first ribbons yesterday 3-27-2019. Water temperature was 52 degrees where the eggs were laid on the west shore. I am located just outside Fort Wayne IN.

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I have my 2nd ribbon strand overnight. This time the strand is hooked around a small section of cedar (evergreen) branch that had broke off in a ice storm and was laying on the bottom. Same area, SE, sunny edge, same depth. The sun is feeling warm today so I'm sure water temps have come up yesterday and today against the brown/silty bottom with brown leaves covering it.

It seems the YP used the needles on the branch to help snag the eggs and pull them out as some of the egg strand is actually under the needles and some is draped over the top of the branch of needles.

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