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#502993 - 03/12/19 07:55 AM Re: New Pond Project [Re: MWB]
gehajake Offline


Registered: 12/31/18
Posts: 38
Loc: MO
That is accurate, I have done some small projects for them but pretty much withdrew from their list for larger ponds and projects, dont have the proper equipment for moving large amounts of dirt over long distances, really need scrapers for that, usually not able to get competitive on the prices of somebody with scrapers, they can move dirt so much more efficiently.

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#503054 - 03/13/19 01:39 PM Re: New Pond Project [Re: MWB]
SetterGuy Online   content


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1459
Loc: NE Missouri
Originally Posted By: MWB


Thanks for the Welcome Jeff. I see you are about an hour east of my property. I read your pond build with great interest since yours is kind of close to what I am doing. Hopefully yours is not leaking to much and keeping up with the rain. Where did you find your pond builder? Was he local to your area? Nice looking pond by the way!!

Thanks

Bill


Bill, my situation was sort of tricky. I have a neighbor that owns a big dozer. Heís built ponds all over Ralls Co, and even helped build Mark Twain Lake. Iím well aware that a good dozer operator does not equal a good pond builder. But for peace in the neighborhood and being one of only two absentee landowners around, I went with him. He had help from two brothers that also build ponds as a side line, but also sell timber. They cut all the trees, and arranged for the timber to be sold. Thatís another can of worms. I was there almost every day, and I think I came out alright. Our share of the timber sales was $6,000 I think, which went a long way towards construction costs. I donít think my leak is too bad. 1/4Ē a day, and evaporation is probably most of that. The agent from the USDA/Missouri Conservation office helped pick the spot, test the clay, measure the runoff, and make recommendations on emergency spillway pipe. Part of my leak may be coming from around the pipe, I am not sure. If we can stay out of a drought Iíll be fine. Like I said, I almost stopped the build. One of the pond building brothers told me, if it was his pond, heíd stop. We were too far along, and there wasnít a good second choice, so I elected to finish. Really glad we did. Just wish I could spend more time there. Retiring in August, so getting a little more time for the pond should be doable.
Post some pics of your place and project. Looking forward to watching it happen.
Jeff
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4 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#503074 - 03/13/19 05:09 PM Re: New Pond Project [Re: SetterGuy]
MWB Offline


Registered: 03/10/19
Posts: 25
Loc: North Carolina USA
Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
Originally Posted By: MWB


Thanks for the Welcome Jeff. I see you are about an hour east of my property. I read your pond build with great interest since yours is kind of close to what I am doing. Hopefully yours is not leaking to much and keeping up with the rain. Where did you find your pond builder? Was he local to your area? Nice looking pond by the way!!

Thanks

Bill


Bill, my situation was sort of tricky. I have a neighbor that owns a big dozer. Heís built ponds all over Ralls Co, and even helped build Mark Twain Lake. Iím well aware that a good dozer operator does not equal a good pond builder. But for peace in the neighborhood and being one of only two absentee landowners around, I went with him. He had help from two brothers that also build ponds as a side line, but also sell timber. They cut all the trees, and arranged for the timber to be sold. Thatís another can of worms. I was there almost every day, and I think I came out alright. Our share of the timber sales was $6,000 I think, which went a long way towards construction costs. I donít think my leak is too bad. 1/4Ē a day, and evaporation is probably most of that. The agent from the USDA/Missouri Conservation office helped pick the spot, test the clay, measure the runoff, and make recommendations on emergency spillway pipe. Part of my leak may be coming from around the pipe, I am not sure. If we can stay out of a drought Iíll be fine. Like I said, I almost stopped the build. One of the pond building brothers told me, if it was his pond, heíd stop. We were too far along, and there wasnít a good second choice, so I elected to finish. Really glad we did. Just wish I could spend more time there. Retiring in August, so getting a little more time for the pond should be doable.
Post some pics of your place and project. Looking forward to watching it happen.
Jeff


Jeff, yeah I wondered if my Timber is worth anything. I hate to just bulldoze it up and burn it. Not sure its worth trying to find someone or not. Something is better than nothing if its going up in smoke!!


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#503077 - 03/13/19 05:41 PM Re: New Pond Project [Re: MWB]
SetterGuy Online   content


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1459
Loc: NE Missouri
Canít hurt to find out. Prices were up when I built 4.5 years ago. I doubt theyíve come down.
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4 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#504302 - 04/12/19 07:19 PM Re: New Pond Project [Re: MWB]
MWB Offline


Registered: 03/10/19
Posts: 25
Loc: North Carolina USA
Just an update on my pond build! Just wanted to let you all know I have not gone away. Met with 3 contractors and all three are very knowledgeable and have built a lot of ponds between them. All three on time and very professional! It was great meeting all of them on the property during the last few days and walking around the possible pond site and discussing the build and design. Next step is to have the site shot to get a better understanding of how many yards of dirt will need to be pushed and trees to remove. Once the pond site is shot and we come up with a plan, the contractors will be able to submit their bids based on each having he same plan. In the mean time I will start checking references. Currently I think its going to be a difficult decision once the bids are in and if they are not to far off from each other. I could not be happier with my choices for possible contractors. They each bring something unique to the table for the build. More updates to come as the process continues.

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#504350 - 04/14/19 10:02 AM Re: New Pond Project [Re: MWB]
lbrooks Offline
Lunker

Registered: 10/03/09
Posts: 31
Loc: crawford county, missouri
Welcome to the PB site and to Missouri, I have learned very much on pond build from this site. I have been working on a pond for more years than I care to mention, but I am building it myself with the help and knowledge of the site, I did get it cleared, keyway and dam, but being a PM for a construction company I have traveled most of the year for the last 10 years. Only been able to work on it a few days a year. In February of 2018 in a weekend of rain It was full, note I was not finished building yet, sooo I have a problem trying to finish it as it is still full ( it did go down about 3/4 of the way last summer but has since filled up again. enough said, good luck. It really is labor of love.

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#504387 - 04/15/19 01:35 PM Re: New Pond Project [Re: MWB]
SetterGuy Online   content


Registered: 10/30/13
Posts: 1459
Loc: NE Missouri
Good luck to both of you guys. MWB, it sounds like youíve got three good builders to work with. Iím trying to remember, did you get the guys from the Dept of Conservation to come out? They laid out my drainage area on their maps, evaluated clay content and made recommendations. Gave me 80%+ chance of success. His major concern was my drainage area. Just 10 ac for a 1 ac pond. He thought the clay was great. It turned out to be the opposite. I have enough drainage, but not too much thatís for sure. But we did not find as good a clay as we had originally projected. He also designed the emergency overflow. More than adequate.
_________________________
4 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#505046 - 04/30/19 07:55 AM Re: New Pond Project [Re: SetterGuy]
MWB Offline


Registered: 03/10/19
Posts: 25
Loc: North Carolina USA
Originally Posted By: SetterGuy
Good luck to both of you guys. MWB, it sounds like youíve got three good builders to work with. Iím trying to remember, did you get the guys from the Dept of Conservation to come out? They laid out my drainage area on their maps, evaluated clay content and made recommendations. Gave me 80%+ chance of success. His major concern was my drainage area. Just 10 ac for a 1 ac pond. He thought the clay was great. It turned out to be the opposite. I have enough drainage, but not too much thatís for sure. But we did not find as good a clay as we had originally projected. He also designed the emergency overflow. More than adequate.


Jeff, yes they did come out and shoot the property to determine the size of dam, pipe, and number of yards of dirt that will need to be moved. Waiting on bids now. Looking at close to a 3 acre pond. I could go much bigger but that means more timber to remove etc. Plus I am sure it would blow the budget!

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#505225 - 05/02/19 06:55 PM Re: New Pond Project [Re: MWB]
MWB Offline


Registered: 03/10/19
Posts: 25
Loc: North Carolina USA
Well as I stated in prior updates. This is going to be a tough decision on which contractor to use. I have 2 bids in so far and there is only 441.00 difference in the bids! I would never have thought it would be that close but it just proves if you do as much up front planning as possible it can help tremendously. I think having the NCRS come out and shoot the property and write up a plan that calculates pipe size, dam length and yards of dirt needing moved etc. helped a lot. It will be curious to see what the 3rd bid comes in at.


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