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#500039 - 12/28/18 10:07 AM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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Thanks for the ideas Hobby!

Highflyer and I have actually talked about an alcohol injection system. First, I think this Winter is going to show us how bad off we are or are not. One big lesson I have learned up there is the less moving parts the better. If we could solve our problem with a condensation trap or two and not have to add more "complexity" I would be thrilled. Heck at this point I am actually hoping I still have a small P trap in the weighted lines where they hit the water that can be straightened out. If so, that could possibly solve everything.

The Thomas 2660 I run during the Winter will not restart pumping under pressure - I'm only running ~12 PSI. To enable the pump to restart I have a small valve cracked open as small as possible to bleed off the pressure after shutdown. I would be very happy to lose that air blowing out condensation instead.

Last Winter the total lack of snow did not give us an accurate sample of what the solar system would be dealing with on a normal year. (It also sent the frost line MUCH deeper than normal.) This year the much needed snow has made for some tough stretches for solar and we are in one right now. The system hit the low voltage disconnect yesterday and will not turn back on until the sun comes back out and recharges the batteries to a predetermined higher voltage. While it sucks to see the hole close up this setup protects the batteries from being drawn down too far and reducing lifespan. It will be interesting to see what happens when the power turns back on over the next couple days.

With the American Eagle crapping out once again and the solar struggling in a more normal Winter we are discussing taking the Eagle compressor off the tower and replacing it with a 1KW wind turbine to generate more power. We already have basically all of the "infrastructure" in place so it will tie right in to the existing system and battery bank. That should be a very fun project.

Pic from yesterday


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#500054 - 12/28/18 04:28 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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All makes sense. I'm hoping to get enough solar to keep ahead of the low voltage cut-out - we'll see. The additonal power from a wind set-up might be the ticket for your set-up.
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#501192 - 01/25/19 01:24 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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My buddy is going up to check on my place and help me out today. Planning on running some alcohol through the airlines, adding water to solar batteries and collecting DO data.

I should say he is TRYING to go up today. It's tough going....

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#501239 - 01/27/19 12:19 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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Now that is a good buddy! We could all use friends like this guy smile
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#501243 - 01/27/19 01:59 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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#501244 - 01/27/19 05:20 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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Looks like he got the snowmobile stuck. Oh Crap!
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#501257 - 01/28/19 08:25 AM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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He IS a VERY good friend! They eventually made it up. Unfortunately he did not bring back good news.

The hole from the aeration has been struggling badly for about a month. The hole consistently shrank. It went from one large hole to two separate holes, to two small holes, to one small hole, to gone. The one single hole would reappear and then disappear one or two days to the next. We have lots of speculation to why the hole would disappear and reappear, but no solid answer. I figured the DO was going to take a big hit.

He said the lake has a thick layer of slushy snow on top. After he cleared away the slush he drilled a hole to measure DO. He said the ice was from his elbow to the very tip of his finger. Estimating 18"-20" thick. He measured in 7' of water and got 1ppm down to .8ppm. The spot he measured was no where near a diffuser. Neither him nor I wanted him getting anywhere near any possible thin ice.

While he was up he put 6 pints of alcohol through the airlines 1/2 a pint or 1 pint at a time. He let some of the doses soak in for up to 20-30 minutes before blowing air through and adding more alcohol. We have already seen an improvement in the aeration holes. All we can hope is there is enough snow on the ground now that it is insulating the airlines and they were starting to thaw on their own and/or they will not refreeze after this round of alcohol. Traditionally February and March are our snowiest months.

I am assuming a lot of fish are dead. We are back to the drawing board again for solutions to the condensation issue.

Pic from 01-24-20109 - day before he went up. Koenders still keeping a small hole open.


Pic from 01-27-2019 - two days after he went up.


Measuring DO.


Snow not giving up easy this year.
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#501262 - 01/28/19 10:43 AM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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In Canada where we went fishing and in winters when they had as much snow or more than what you are showing the camp owner said the ground did not freeze the shallow underground water pipes when snow cover arrived before really cold temps. If you can get the airline open and with your current snow cover it is likely the airline will not refreeze. Hopefully.


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#501703 - 02/07/19 03:33 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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Big snow came in last night. More on the way over the next few days. We are getting our butts kicked as far as keeping a hole open goes. Time for version 16.1.7ab plan F

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#501921 - 02/12/19 05:50 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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Buddy with a cabin close by swung by our place while he was on the mountain. My other buddy that helps me up there rode up with him. Much easier and more relaxing ride in the snowcat!! Still some work though. Even the snowcat was having a little trouble in some of the really deep and steep! Couple videos just for some perspective of what we are fighting up there. In the end, they made it up and ran some more alcohol through the line. We had a hole open today. More snow coming though so no idea how long the hole will last.




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#501924 - 02/12/19 08:27 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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my browser at home says video unavailable. Tried putting the link in the browser directly and says unavailable. Maybe you can post the direct links?

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#501931 - 02/13/19 07:07 AM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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#501946 - 02/13/19 12:47 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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I think you have to make the videos public?
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#501948 - 02/13/19 12:54 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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agree, the links didn't work either, it brought me to youtube but then said the page wasn't available. I suspect at the time of upload it was set to 'private viewing' or something like that

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#501949 - 02/13/19 01:00 PM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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They were private. I thought that just meant people couldn't see them without the link. I have changed them to public.
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#502141 - Today at 09:52 AM Re: 8 acre pond at 10,000' - lots of aeration ?s [Re: wbuffetjr]
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WBjr,
Any updates for us? Any new pictures? What is the weather supposed to bring?

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