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#489030 - 04/23/18 08:47 AM Managing Bull Head without predators:
KRM1985 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 70
Loc: Huron OH
So after 2 years my pond seems to be doing well in terms of overall health of the desired fish that I've stocked, YP, HSB, BG. I purposely have not stocked any LMB because I did not want them gobbling up all of the YP. My primary goal is to have a good YP pond with some BG mixed in.

After fishing this weekend, I got a hand full of YP, BG, but I also got about 10 small bull head. They appear to be very young and just big enough to bite the hook. I do not want to let the BH get out of hand.. I set a trap and got 2 more and will continue to trap them..

I realize I'll probably never get rid of all the BH but what are some other ways to help control the BH without having to sacrifice the good fish in the pond?

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#489033 - 04/23/18 09:27 AM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
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Registered: 08/12/16
Posts: 348
Loc: Iowa
HSB will eat them up...bullhead will cruise open water and surface feed, especially if you're pellet feeding your BG and YP. The bullhead will out compete both for pellets. Keep the traps running to monitor the BH and help reduce their numbers.

You are going to have to add some predators to keep those 3 species in check
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#489038 - 04/23/18 11:14 AM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
KRM1985 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 70
Loc: Huron OH
Yeah, that's kinda what I figured. I'll have to keep working the traps..Has anyone had success by netting them ?

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#489040 - 04/23/18 11:58 AM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
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Registered: 12/05/11
Posts: 223
Loc: Cincinnati, OH
Do you have regular BG or hybrid BG?
Just curious how the YP and HSB are doing on maintaining the BG population.
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#489045 - 04/23/18 12:47 PM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
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Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 70
Loc: Huron OH
I have regular BG, RES and somehow ( I did not stock them) warmouth BG. My initial stocking was 400 YP and 250 BG 150 RES. After one year I added 50 HSB. So far I don't see any big issues with the BG population. The only issue is the BH. Not sure how they got into the pond but there are definitely abundant.

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#489051 - 04/23/18 02:12 PM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
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Loc: Iowa
Yep just keep the trap going. Are you using a cloverleaf? If so, try running a 2nd cloverleaf, bait daily and remove the fish. Your traps will be more productive in warmer temps but knocking down as many bullhead now before they spawn will be very beneficial. Once they spawn the fry area a great food source for your HSB, BG and YP. The fry stay balled up in a school for a period of time and are easy prey
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#489053 - 04/23/18 02:20 PM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
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Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 70
Loc: Huron OH
I have been using the cone shape trap. I need to build a clover leaf trap.. I watched a few youtube videos on how to build them. Seems simple and effective.

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#491274 - 06/04/18 06:45 PM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
Mike Whatley Offline


Registered: 04/22/18
Posts: 545
Loc: Louisiana
Hey KRM. Are you sure those Warmouth aren't GSF? You know their reputation for "Just showing up".

How you doing on thinning out those bullhead?
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#499312 - 12/05/18 09:46 AM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
KRM1985 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 70
Loc: Huron OH
Just wanted to follow up / update on this since I just now saw Mike's post.

I am pretty sure they are warmouth BG but I will send a pic next time I get one.

We fished the BH very heavy all summer tossing everyone of them until the bite slowed down. It is now possible to catch BG with only an occasional BH mixed in. Definitely an improvement but the BH are certainly still present.

My HSB are now getting some good size to them so I am hoping come next Spring they will be putting more pressure on the BH population that remains.

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#499348 - 12/05/18 08:19 PM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
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Warmouth are not very common in northern Ohio; actually rare individuals. IMO if you have warmouth they likely came from out of state fish stockers. Study and compare these descriptions of some common Ohio sunfish, Also consider your concept of warmouth could be hybrid bluegill.
http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/species-and-habitats/species-guide-index/fish/warmouth
http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/species-and-habitats/species-guide-index/fish/green-sunfish


Edited by Bill Cody (12/05/18 08:20 PM)
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#499381 - 12/06/18 10:03 AM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: Bill Cody]
KRM1985 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 70
Loc: Huron OH
So I was able to find some pictures of what I "think" could be Warmouth... I could also be mistaken. These were taken last winter...What do you think? Mouths look big on these guys.






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#499385 - 12/06/18 10:55 AM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
Pat Williamson Offline


Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2441
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
Looks like a green sunfish to me

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#499391 - 12/06/18 11:41 AM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
adr Offline


Registered: 09/29/18
Posts: 11
Loc: colorado
best way to control bullheads is to call up a bunch of iowegians like me to come and catch them and eat them.

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#499393 - 12/06/18 12:01 PM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
anthropic Offline


Registered: 05/03/14
Posts: 1531
Loc: East Texas, USA
That second pic reminds me of why I moved south. Brrr!
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#499400 - 12/06/18 01:05 PM Re: Managing Bull Head without predators: [Re: KRM1985]
KRM1985 Offline


Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 70
Loc: Huron OH
It's hard for me to tell... I think it may be Green Sunfish.. on the other hand, the article Bill Posted says warmounth can vary in color.. this was an odd color BG

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