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#498797 - 11/17/18 09:31 AM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 05/07/13
Posts: 1897
Loc: West Michigan
snipe, I'm curious, in northern mi there are larger lakes with what appears to be self-sustaining WE populations. One that I'm more family with is about 6 miles long and about 3 miles wild. IT is very deep, but the shore lines look just like any other lake, sandy, and calm. THe drop offs are pretty sudden and it goes very deep.

IF it is incredibly fussy for the conditions to be right and the eggs to hatch, how do the WE self sustain? I can't think of where in a big lake like that there would be enough current, waves or wind consistently to let the eggs hatch? I'm sure some areas get the prevailing winds, but there are plenty of calm weather conditions too.

I think there is one area where a stream flows into the lake, would that be the place where the WE are probably successfully spawning?

I did learn recently that the MI DEQ/DNR is putting about 20,000 stocked WE in every year.

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#498802 - 11/17/18 11:03 AM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 10/26/18
Posts: 64
Loc: NW Kansas
Walleye are a native river species.. In most Lake/Res situations they resort to the most similar habitat to that of a river in-flow with sand/gravel/rock substrate, IF the proper river/in-flow situation is NOT present. The measure of flow, species present, etc., and variables we still don't understand are going to play a part.
We have a few Lakes here in KS that have a very small % of walleye reproduction in certain years where conditions are such that it works.
There are also a few lakes in central NE where this takes place to a very small degree.
In your example lake, if they are stocking 20,000 fish in that body size, I'm going to say those are fingerlings or possibly intermediates.. and doing so every year indicates to me there is little, if any natural recruitment.

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#498803 - 11/17/18 11:25 AM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Snipe]
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Nagagami Lake in Ontario Canada is a walleye factory. My son lives up there an a co worker works at this lodge on that lake. He said he cleaned over 1000 walleye in the first three weeks up there.

Cheers Don.
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#498811 - 11/17/18 02:06 PM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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We are at 10,000' and have quite a bit of wind. I definitely do not want reproduction so if there is a chance I will probably pass. For years my buddy has been trying to talk me into putting some in.
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#498812 - 11/17/18 02:32 PM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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I have observed a very limited amount of successful walleye recruitment in a very few ponds as small as 0.75 acre. Rare, but it can happen when egg hatching is successful. When a few walleye eggs do hatch the slender fry/fingerlings have to endure lots of predation pressure to survive to adulthood. Anymore, I never say it won't happen.


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#498821 - 11/18/18 12:26 AM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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Loc: NW Kansas
I agree with Mr. Cody on "never say never".. If a dozen survivors make that gap and survive all odds, those survivers will be more conditioned to the environment they were reared in. I can say in most conditions we have data on walleye above 4000ft elevation, they are not sexually mature until Y5. Doesn't mean they can't have an early female in year 4, but it's very rare. Males are generally sexually mature in Y2, it would be very, very rare to have a Y1 male with milt.
Our higher elevation I have data on (7830 & 6412)reveals a recruitment rate of about 78% less than 2 lakes at 2738 & 3150 All 4 of these are impoundments on the same river basin with very similar fertility. The growth rates are affected by many factors but I'll give you those in comparison. Year zero fall samples show an average of 146mm (about 5.75") on High alt res data. On the 2 lakes near 3000', Year zero fall nets show about 188mm ave, (just shy of 7.5").
1.5 yr olds show an ave of 201mm (Shy of 8") & 267mm (10.5"). about 30-40% of these Y2 walleye at 3000' lakes show up in spring nets on dam during spawn as fertile specimens, at around the 11' mark.
At the higher lakes, data shows an ave of Y2 Males being 241mm (9.5") with no record of spermatozoa present. In 2016 we had a 311mm (12.25") male full of milt. we filleted, took otolith and found it to be a 5y male which is mid-life at the higher elevation but near end of life at the 3000' range. Y3,4,5 males at 3000' range show an ave. of 342mm (13.5"), 394mm (15.5") and 436mm (just over 17").
Not sure any of this is helpful but if your pond/lake is at 10,000', I seriously doubt your growth rates would exceed those of the 2 lakes I listed. With that being said, I feel you'd have 4 years of fishing to safely cull/harvest/remove a good number of potential trouble makers. Some walleye in locations at lower levels/warmer climates, can produce walleye that are sexually mature in 2 years.
I would NEVER want to recommend a stocking that could cause later undesirable effects, so keep in mind this is test net data, not a hard factual rule. One fish I would look at that would potentially provide the same table fare and an increase in annual growth rate would be Saugeye. No recruitment would ever rear it's head with no walleye present. Female saugeye eggs are viable and can be fertilized by male walleye and "could" hatch. these fish revert back to parent stock very quickly, usually in 2 generations, but if no walleye are present, that is something you would never have to worry about.
Hope I didn't bore you to tears.
EDIT: I should also add the high elevation lakes are low recruitment situations, it's just not good percentage wise, for stockers or natural. i'm sure there are other factors in play that we are not aware of as well. I have zero data on Saugeye at altitude either, no idea how they would handle it.


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#498898 - 11/22/18 11:37 PM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 12/04/12
Posts: 40
Loc: Jamestown, New York
Been a long time since I have been on, or posted. Have a 5/8 acre pond in western NY that has a 12 ft, and 17 ft hole. I have WE, BCP, YP, 3 CC, 7 KOI, various sunfish, FHM, GS, and a few white suckers.

I have had limited WE reproduction in the past. Not sure on the last 2 years with limited time to fish. More work on property than I can keep up with at times. At Mr. Cody`s suggestion I did add cobblestone 6"-8" on ice and it made little reefs. Saw small WE before this, but have 2 strong springs in pond, and a lot of wave action.

I have surprisingly not had any over population problems with BCP, or sunfish so WE, and YP doing a good job. Friend caught 3 14" YP, a 17" WE, and a 13" BCP while I did projects. I went out after him for an hour and nothing LOL! Wish I would have kept better records of sizes, and #`s of fish stocked.

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#498899 - 11/23/18 06:04 AM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: 19dave68]
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Registered: 04/15/12
Posts: 138
Loc: mi.
What was the bottom of your pond like in the beginning?

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#498900 - 11/23/18 06:28 AM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 04/15/12
Posts: 138
Loc: mi.
I am thinking of moving my wind generator back to my pond for a power source to run a pump. With storage batteries.

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#498905 - 11/23/18 08:31 AM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: john kelsey]
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Loc: in the mountains
Originally Posted By: john kelsey
I am thinking of moving my wind generator back to my pond for a power source to run a pump. With storage batteries.


This would be an extremely interesting project. Please post pics, etc if you do it!
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#498934 - 11/25/18 08:30 PM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: DonoBBD]
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Registered: 05/03/14
Posts: 1531
Loc: East Texas, USA
Originally Posted By: DonoBBD
Nagagami Lake in Ontario Canada is a walleye factory. My son lives up there an a co worker works at this lodge on that lake. He said he cleaned over 1000 walleye in the first three weeks up there.

Cheers Don.


I checked the site & was impressed. Thanks!

My Ohio brother came back with beaucoup walleye fillets from a Lake Erie trip. Apparently the Erie WE have had three great annual spawns in a row and are doing awesome! My bride & I ate one of the fillets tonight & it was delicious.

PS Don't tell anybody, but I even heard rumors of 6 lb plus SMB...


Edited by anthropic (11/25/18 08:39 PM)
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#498975 - 11/26/18 08:04 PM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: john kelsey]
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Registered: 12/04/12
Posts: 40
Loc: Jamestown, New York
John bottom was blue clay, and gravel.

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#499040 - 11/28/18 07:38 AM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
john kelsey Offline


Registered: 04/15/12
Posts: 138
Loc: mi.
That is same as mine. Did you build some kind of reef?

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#499197 - 12/02/18 04:36 PM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 12/04/12
Posts: 40
Loc: Jamestown, New York
Been away at cabin, no internet there. When we had thick ice I got a couple of tons of 8" or larger rock. Took a wheelbarrow and made several piles a couple feet high. In spring I used my underwater camera for ice fishing to check it out. When the stones fell thru the ice I had little reefs at least 18" high. I did have some reproduction before doing this. Not sure I`m currently having reproduction as haven`t had time to really check things out.

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#499199 - 12/02/18 05:42 PM Re: Why not Walleye? [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 04/15/12
Posts: 138
Loc: mi.
Thank you for your information. Sounds promising.

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