Here is a BG HBG issue I've been having. They don't like to bite on live worms, crickets, plastic lures, or even Stubby Steves. If I throw out some AquaMax they hit it pretty hard. I only feed once a day right now, and I don't overfeed IMO (maybe 1/2 a solo cup of feed at a time). I have tried really small hooks which I don't like because they can get them deep if I don't set the hook at the right time which when fishing with a 5 year old can be difficult.
Any suggestions? I hate to stop feeding because they are really growing well.
The only thing I have caught my HBG with are small white rooster-tails and a medium sized hook with a pinch off an old small purple plastic worm (a home-made stubby steve's). I have not tried anything else however. I have had better luck with the small spinners. My HBG are about a 1/4 pound, still pretty small.
I feel left out when mid-westerners talk about their fish still feeding, mine stopped noticeably feeding a week or so ago and they actually slowed down long before that. My water temps are 55 top to bottom, but no top water takers, just FHM's. Hmmmm?
They are still feeding pretty heavy here, bass are biting a little better too. We also had 4' of water (13" of rain) added to the pond about a week and a half ago so everything went through a major change. Water temp is mid to upper 50s. We have warm weather predicted for all next week.
Attached as some good examples of ones I stocked this spring or maybe from last fall.
The fish the young man is holding looks like a hybrid cross between a BG and RES.
Try 1/64 oz jig hooks. I find pan fish are lots less likely to swallow them as opposed to regular fish hooks. I also like the way they present the bait better. Tip them with Gulp Alive brand artificial chartreuse waxies or a quarter to half inch long piece of the Gulp Alive worms. If the bite is really tough go to thin slivers of cut bait on the jig hook.
The fish the young man is holding looks like a hybrid cross between a BG and RES.
Try 1/64 oz jig hooks. I find pan fish are lots less likely to swallow them as opposed to regular fish hooks. I also like the way they present the bait better. Tip them with Gulp Alive brand artificial chartreuse waxies or a quarter to half inch long piece of the Gulp Alive worms. If the bite is really tough go to thin slivers of cut bait on the jig hook.
That is what I have good luck with in cold water.
John, do you find that the cold water bite is best when visibility is pretty clear, and worst in muddy water?
And don't forget the Gulp waxies in white. I use two of them on my jig. This time a year I will use a 1/32 oz jig head because of the lower water temps move the fish a little deeper and deeper is where my larger cnbg hang out. Unless the feeder is going off
When my water is off color like kinda of muddy, I will use pink or bubblegum colored baits if I am fishing around six foot deep or less and black when fishing deeper.
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The fish the young man is holding looks like a hybrid cross between a BG and RES.
Try 1/64 oz jig hooks. I find pan fish are lots less likely to swallow them as opposed to regular fish hooks. I also like the way they present the bait better. Tip them with Gulp Alive brand artificial chartreuse waxies or a quarter to half inch long piece of the Gulp Alive worms. If the bite is really tough go to thin slivers of cut bait on the jig hook.
That is what I have good luck with in cold water.
John, do you find that the cold water bite is best when visibility is pretty clear, and worst in muddy water?
I can not say for sure but I do know if I get rain that causes turbidity both the feeding and the bite can be off a day or two. I do not know if that is because of the water clarity or barometric pressure or some other weather feature or what. But I do notice a tougher bite in those conditions. Then is when I sometimes go to a thin sliver of cut bait or a shiner. I suspect live worms or other live bait would also work but it has been a couple years since I used live worms. Since John F introduced me to the Gulp Waxies I find using the artificial Gulp baits stay on the hook so much better than live bait so I use it most of the time. I can often catch 8 or 10 fish before having to re-bait. With live worms it seems like it was almost every cast if I did not catch a fish a small BG would suck or eat the worm off the hook.
Another Gulp product I have found that works well when the bite is tougher is the small 1" Gulp Minnow. They do not stay on the hook as well as the Waxies (so are not as convenient and more expensive to use), maybe only twice as good as live bait, but I find fish will bite them when they sometimes will not bite my other offerings. The Gulp Maggots I also use but they only last about half as long on the hook as the Waxies so the Waxies are my preferred bait. I will use a single one most of the time but sometimes two.
It is important to point out that I have only been fishing very much for about four years. So I am by no means an expert at angling. This is just the way I have been pretty successful most of the time catching BG in my pond. I fish nowhere other than my ponds so results elsewhere may vary.
Edit: here is a picture posted in another thread of a SMB caught on a jig head tipped with a Gulp chartreuse Waxie. small SMB caught on Gulp Waxie I think that is a 1/64 oz jig or maybe even lighter. If the bite is tough I do not use a swivel. I just happen to have one on that day as I was using other lures at times.
HBG should be aggressive and easy to catch (subject to temps) while other crosses are not a easily catchability.
Anyone have thoughts on the catchability of BG X GSF vs other lepomis crosses ?
My experience is that BG X RES are a bit larger but they are not as catchable as HBG (BG X GSF). Still a good catchable fish but not as aggressive as HBG.
I know when I first started fishing my main pond and discovered there were a few hybrids mixed in with my initial stocking (IIRC about 30 were caught) it was not long before I "fished them out". It soon got to where I no longer caught any more. (I transferred all I caught to my old pond).
About the time I "got rid of them", I decided I really did like the HBG as I kept catching them and they were growing great in my old pond.
Since then I have introduced thousands of home grown hybrids (both HBG and RESxGSF hybrids as well as a rare BGxRES) in my main pond and catch and fillet many annually. The hybrids come primarily from my sediment and forage ponds where they seem to be produced naturally in significant numbers.
I really like the hybrids. But then I'm a mutt kind of a guy.
My sense of GSF and hybrids of them is that they are not as efficient at foraging zooplankton (which even harvest size BG are). They prefer the larger kinds of forage like FHM, YOY fry, Gambusia, crayfish, larger aquatic insects, etc. If these are plentiful, they will grow much better. I can see where they would need feed more so than BG which can feed at lower trophic levels than GSF and their hybrids.
One thing I notice about BG is that they will approach a fly, inspect it, at which point they will either suck it in or move on. A green sunfish or hybrid just attacks them. They can also be caught repeatedly.
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That would seem to make sense that the GSF have a large mouth and the BG have small mouth for a reason. Interesting information about BG being more adapted at harvesting zooplankton.
The GSF and their hybrids are definitely fish food pellet chow hounds. If I fish after feeding and catch one they are almost always stuffed to the gills, so to speak. They get more than their fair share of the pellets.