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#497364 - 10/10/18 04:52 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
Well, over the past week we have had over 5" of rain and I am now at full pool. Which is a good and bad thing.

Most of my pallet stacks floated away even though I spent an entire day adding cinder blocks. I had 3 blocks per stack of 4-5 pallets and it wasn't enough. I probably should have tied them all together and used the blocks as an anchor instead of putting them on top. LESSON LEARNED!

Below are a few videos of my 24" corrugated pipe. The first video shows that it has a leak at the connection of the 90 degree and the straight pipe. The installer has been notified and will be fixing it once the ground isn't peanut butter.

Also, my rock perimeter and my overflow pipe do not line up. I knew this was going to be an issue and it looks like I have to cut some of the pipe to lower the level. There are three factors at play.

1. Utilizing the rock perimeter that I paid to have installed.
2. Keeping the pond level low enough so that there isn't standing water north of the pond into the tree line.
3. Getting the most water in my pond as possible.

The plan as of right now is to lower the level down to where there isn't standing water north of the pond. This will put my rock edging under about 18-24" of water and it will maximize my total volume. I will eventually have a tractor and a dump trailer and I plan on slowly adding more rock above the current rip rap that I have installed. More work and more money, but it gives me the most depth.

Leaky pipe:

https://youtu.be/OWVl_QseJwY

Overflow pipe:

https://youtu.be/9a4LoEWzRCQ

Rain as stopped and the drainage is slowing down:

https://youtu.be/-bJHNA_EQZU


I apologize if I rambled a bit. It is hard to explain what I see at the pond.



Cheers!

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#497365 - 10/10/18 04:54 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: anthropic]
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Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
Originally Posted By: anthropic
Female bass only usually cost more, but might fit your goals. For trophies in Kansas, you could consider F1 LMB.


The current plan is to use F1s. I may even build a grow out pen and sex them myself. I have a year to decide!

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#497384 - 10/11/18 09:08 AM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
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Registered: 05/26/13
Posts: 68
Loc: SE KS
Good looking pond. You might want to install a trash guard on your overflow pipe so that it doesn't become clogged up.
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#497396 - 10/11/18 03:17 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
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Registered: 06/10/16
Posts: 852
Loc: West Central Missouri
Don't feel bad about the floating pallets...I learned the same lesson when my pond filled up.

+1 on the trash guard.. Agri-Drain makes a nice one.

I am also in agreement about keeping the pond as deep as possible. I might even consider forfeiting the north side trees if it meant another foot of depth.

Get some crawdads in there before next march...they will love all the submerged rock.
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#497427 - 10/12/18 02:48 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: Quarter Acre]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
Originally Posted By: Quarter Acre
Don't feel bad about the floating pallets...I learned the same lesson when my pond filled up.

+1 on the trash guard.. Agri-Drain makes a nice one.

I am also in agreement about keeping the pond as deep as possible. I might even consider forfeiting the north side trees if it meant another foot of depth.

Get some crawdads in there before next march...they will love all the submerged rock.


The good thing about them floating is that I know where they ALL are. I wanted to keep structure away from the dock to avoid any chance of someone getting caught while swimming.

Also, I will be getting a trash guard soon and I'll definitely check out Agri-Drain. Thanks for the tip!


Cheers!

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#497430 - 10/12/18 03:09 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
Quarter Acre Offline


Registered: 06/10/16
Posts: 852
Loc: West Central Missouri
Before...

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#497431 - 10/12/18 03:11 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
Quarter Acre Offline


Registered: 06/10/16
Posts: 852
Loc: West Central Missouri
After...



I'm glad to have someone else in this with me. It wasn't funny at the time but it's really funny now that I'm not alone! THANKS FOR THE CHUCKLE!

Just so you know, I added plenty of rocks to the stacks with out tying them together and that has worked with one exception...winter ice can de-pile your rock stacks, but by that time the pallets were waterlogged and did not move. I just lost my visual locator because the rocks stuck up above the water surface until the ice knocked a few over. I have added a few more since.


Edited by Quarter Acre (10/12/18 03:15 PM)
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#497432 - 10/12/18 03:39 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: Quarter Acre]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
LOL!!! It's funny the lessons that you learn when going through this process. Maybe next time I"ll use the blocks as an anchor and let them float until the get water logged. I could also put three cinder blocks per pallet while stacking them up like this:

Three blocks
Pallet
Three blocks
Pallet
Three Blocks
Pallet

Alot of work, but it would keep them down... maybe.

Also, I cut the pipe about a foot so I could lower the pond a bit. Video below is right after I cut it.

https://youtu.be/oztXjsqyTec

Is it possible embed the video in this post instead of just posting the link?


Edited by blavis (10/12/18 06:18 PM)

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#497523 - 10/15/18 07:15 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
I place my order for the bulk of my forage base today. They'll be delivering via a truck in the next two weeks. Purchased them from Hartley Fish Farm in Kingman KS.

BG:
800 (2-4")
100 (4-7")

RES:
200 (2-4")
100 (4-7")

FHM - 10,000

10 lbs of crayfish

I'll be adding LMB and HSB next fall to give these guys some rest and relaxation before the madness starts. :-)


Cheers


Edited by blavis (10/16/18 06:27 PM)

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#497562 - 10/16/18 02:37 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
ewest Offline
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Sounds like a plan. See how things develop then decided on # and size of predators.
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#497701 - 10/19/18 05:16 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
Truck came today and added everything that I mentioned in my previous post besides the crayfish. He only had 3 lbs instead of 10. Didn't get any pics besides the ones below.






Next up is getting a feeder out there!




Cheers!

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#497720 - 10/20/18 10:46 AM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
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Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 5279
Loc: SE Kansas
Exciting time for a new pond owner when the fish are delivered. Did they happen to mention the variety of the crayfish?
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#497721 - 10/20/18 11:02 AM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: snrub]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
Originally Posted By: snrub
Exciting time for a new pond owner when the fish are delivered. Did they happen to mention the variety of the crayfish?


He said they were known as the 'northern crayfish' and left it at that. He didnt know the scientific name.

Hindsight is always 20/10 and I probably should've received confirmation before stocking.

Do you know if anybody here has had issues with Hartley Fish Farm?

Thanks

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#497729 - 10/20/18 01:03 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
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Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 5279
Loc: SE Kansas
I think Hartleys is a good source of fish. Another positive is the fish will be raised and acclimated specifically for your latitude.

I know Bob Lusk told me in the distant past he has bought a lot of fish from Hartleys back before he had closer sources. Bob told me Hartleys was one of the pioneers in the early fish seller days and he learned a lot from Bus Hartley about handling and hauling fish when he was a young fisheries biologist. Bob told me to get my SMB from Hartleys.

Hartley Fish Farm

His sons run the operation now.

My SMB for my RES/SMB pond came from Hartleys as they are one of the few suppliers of SMB. I also had them bring 100 LMB for my sediment pond that I have recently been catching and transferring to my main pond and those fish seem to have done fine. Actually it was Jerry Hartley and a younger fella I forget the name who delivered the fish.

I suspect at least some of my original stocking fish for my main pond that I got through Wallace Fish Farm came from Hartleys but am uncertain of that.

I thought those might be Northern crayfish but that is why I ask. I believe that is a native species for both our areas.

Thread on types of crayfish

PDF download Crayfisn in Kansas


Edited by snrub (10/20/18 02:06 PM)
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#497770 - 10/22/18 12:09 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
I have a decision to make since the 90 degree is leaking from the underside. The installer is going to make it right and fix it, but I may switch it up. Here are my options:

1. Keep the elbow on and hope that it doesn't leak again. (FREE)

2. Remove the elbow and have him raise the straight pipe about 18" to the level that I want it. (NOT FREE)

In ya'lls perfect world, which option would you rather have and why?




Cheers!

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#497773 - 10/22/18 01:15 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
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Registered: 05/14/11
Posts: 1456
Loc: Central Kansas
Originally Posted By: blavis
I have a decision to make since the 90 degree is leaking from the underside. The installer is going to make it right and fix it, but I may switch it up. Here are my options:

1. Keep the elbow on and hope that it doesn't leak again. (FREE)

2. Remove the elbow and have him raise the straight pipe about 18" to the level that I want it. (NOT FREE)

In ya'lls perfect world, which option would you rather have and why?


Can you provide a picture or clarify your explanation so the forum can advise?

I have an idea of what may be happening but I am not so sure.

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#497776 - 10/22/18 01:26 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
The videos below show my setup. I was just wanting to know if a straight pipe (through the dam) is preferred over a straight pipe with an elbow on it.

Thanks.


Leaky pipe:

https://youtu.be/OWVl_QseJwY

Overflow pipe:

https://youtu.be/9a4LoEWzRCQ

Rain as stopped and the drainage is slowing down:

https://youtu.be/-bJHNA_EQZU

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#497781 - 10/22/18 03:37 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
Quarter Acre Offline


Registered: 06/10/16
Posts: 852
Loc: West Central Missouri
IMO (and aesthetics aside), the straight pipe through the dam is the most simple way to drain a pond. It is not the best way, but is certainly the most affordable and common, neglecting no pipe at all and just having a low spot in the dam.

But, I see your dilemma...if you remove the elbow from the design then it costs you money, if you don't remove the elbow from the design, it could leak again costing you a foot of water.

Ask your installer how they are going to eliminate the leak from happening again and post the plan here for some expert, and others, opinions. There has got to be a way to epoxy the joint and add a sleeve or collar of some sort that practically fuses the elbow to the underlying straight pipe. If they are just going to slap some silicone on it and walk away then don't waste your time on their "Fix" and negotiate a new plan.

Putting aesthetics back in play...the way you have it will look very nice compared to a corrugated pipe sticking out of the dam face. I would add a trash guard eventually, but it will still look better IMO.
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#498060 - 10/30/18 02:00 AM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: blavis]
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Registered: 10/26/18
Posts: 59
Loc: NW Kansas
Originally Posted By: blavis
Originally Posted By: snrub
Exciting time for a new pond owner when the fish are delivered. Did they happen to mention the variety of the crayfish?


He said they were known as the 'northern crayfish' and left it at that. He didnt know the scientific name.

Hindsight is always 20/10 and I probably should've received confirmation before stocking.

Do you know if anybody here has had issues with Hartley Fish Farm?

Thanks

I've bought fish from Hartley's for years for a few community ponds out my way and I've dealt mainly with Bill..
I just stocked my personal pond this summer and I bought my Redear and smallmouth from them. I asked for 175 Redear and 60 SMB...after getting my fish home (5hrs) I began sorting and found I had 11 Black crappie and 27 Bluegill mixed in with my Redear. Beings my target predator is SMB, crappie and bluegill don't play well in my case. I found in my trap net samples last week that a few got by.. I pulled another few bluegill and 2 more Black crappie. A guy has to pay attention, and I have to take full responsibility for the issue but I did not get what I paid for.

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#498076 - 10/30/18 11:19 AM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: Snipe]
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Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 5279
Loc: SE Kansas
Good thing you caught it. That could and most likely would have definitely messed up your plans had the unwanted fish got by.

In an imperfect world, it pays to pay attention.
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#498292 - 11/02/18 12:28 PM Re: Kansas Pond [Re: Snipe]
blavis Offline


Registered: 01/23/17
Posts: 64
Loc: Wichita KS
Originally Posted By: Snipe
Originally Posted By: blavis
Originally Posted By: snrub
Exciting time for a new pond owner when the fish are delivered. Did they happen to mention the variety of the crayfish?


He said they were known as the 'northern crayfish' and left it at that. He didnt know the scientific name.

Hindsight is always 20/10 and I probably should've received confirmation before stocking.

Do you know if anybody here has had issues with Hartley Fish Farm?

Thanks

I've bought fish from Hartley's for years for a few community ponds out my way and I've dealt mainly with Bill..
I just stocked my personal pond this summer and I bought my Redear and smallmouth from them. I asked for 175 Redear and 60 SMB...after getting my fish home (5hrs) I began sorting and found I had 11 Black crappie and 27 Bluegill mixed in with my Redear. Beings my target predator is SMB, crappie and bluegill don't play well in my case. I found in my trap net samples last week that a few got by.. I pulled another few bluegill and 2 more Black crappie. A guy has to pay attention, and I have to take full responsibility for the issue but I did not get what I paid for.


Ugh. I really hope that you were the exception to the rule. It is def too late now for me. I guess I could set up a fish trap and see what i get.

Wish me luck!

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