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#496964 - 09/28/18 09:37 PM Carp problem help
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Registered: 04/08/16
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Loc: Nebraska
Got permission on a 1.5 acre sand pit in Nebraska. It is decades old and been very neglected. Killing it off is not an option. I have set traps and have caught all green sunfish. Started feeding and have found out what I assumed. Lots of carp feeding. Have caught a few on my kids paw patrol which was fun. That said, what options does a guy have other than baiting em in with food and then try to catch em with corn or dough? I plan on adding perch, walleye, crappie soon and have also been trapping and adding 400 gills. Not looking for advice on the crappie as I have read all the pros n cons. Just looking for advice on the carp. Thanks!

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#496965 - 09/28/18 09:46 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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Your success of stocking sport fish and their thriving to produce a quality fishery among common carp will depend a lot on how many carp per acre are present and what the general day to day water clarity is. The more turbid the water the lower the overall fishery will be each year. Ideally you want water transparency of 2ft - 3ft then other sport fish have a good chance of thriving. Less water clarity results in less natural productivity which produces fewer pounds of fish per acre.
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#496966 - 09/28/18 10:02 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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Thanks bill. I agree and afraid at this point the water is pretty turbid due to the darn carp. Any ideas other than having buddies over many times and catching the darn carp?
I am most likely throwing good money at bad stocking but it is close to home so plan to try all I can to make it somewhat decent in the coming years.

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#496981 - 09/29/18 07:22 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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Loc: Caswell co NC
1.5 acres, I would build a homemade electro-shocker. Plenty of YouTube vids.

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#496985 - 09/29/18 08:05 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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I've been fighting the same problem for nearly 20 years jwetovick. I've had very little luck. As Bill Cody has stated the natural reproduction is very limited. My latest strategy (and fun project) is that I built 2 small grow out ponds of 600 sq ft and 1100 sq ft. This way I can grow fish out and skip the reproductive process and stock them all as feed trained fish. This fall I plan on stocking the 1000 plus wipers that I've grown out. I've also grown out 16 tiger muskie in cages (but that was mostly just for fun) and plan to feed train and grow out largemouth in the coming season. It's an odd situation in that I'm essentially attempting to wipe out all natural reproduction of fish in my pond to eliminate the carp. I'll see how that goes. Here's the thread to my grow out ponds.

http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=496176&page=1
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#496999 - 09/29/18 08:42 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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Depending on the sizes of the larger fish in the sand pit and if the larger fish are mostly carp, then consider using a larger mesh gill or flag net to remove carp. Bait an area and pull the net in behind them. As the carp return to open water they will be entangled in the net. When used properly the net should catch high numbers of carp depending on the technique used. I think it would be state DNR legal to have a gill net if used only in private water. I doubt an electroshocker would be as effective as a properly used gill net with 4" to 6" stretch mesh.

Baiting an area with boiled corn could be a good way to attract carp to an area where knowledgeable anglers would catch lots of them. Consider putting a bounty for anglers for each carp caught and removed. Sportsmen clubs should have anglers up to the challenge.


Edited by Bill Cody (09/29/18 08:51 PM)
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#497000 - 09/29/18 09:12 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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Another thought ....IMO, if the water is not too turbid, if the game fish are stocked in appropriate quantities, especially the walleye, they should help a lot to reduce further carp recruitment. Since the pond is only 1.5 acre, you might be able to then remove a significant number of the adult carp by angling or trot line over time. My thought is that if you do not drastically reduce new carp recruitment, you will be in a never ending battle to remove carp.

IMO It will not take many spawning carp to repopulate the pond if there is not sufficient predation on the YOY carp. Your stocking plan for gamefish does not include any wide mouth gap predators, such as LMB, which will make it crucial that you have enough small mouth gap predators to control the new spawned carp while they are less than 3 or 4 inches.

Not a pro..just my 1 cent.

Good luck and please let us know how it goes!

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Edited by Bill D. (09/29/18 09:32 PM)
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#497003 - 09/29/18 11:01 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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I read about a reservoir in New Mexico that had an estimated 38 Muskie per acre with the purpose being to control suckers and carp. Try that and get back to me. Lol.
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#497010 - 09/30/18 08:05 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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Will Walleye eat pellets?


Edited by john kelsey (10/01/18 08:17 AM)

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#497033 - 09/30/18 05:30 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: Bill D.]
jwetovick Offline


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Loc: Nebraska
Originally Posted By: Bill D.
Another thought ....IMO, if the water is not too turbid, if the game fish are stocked in appropriate quantities, especially the walleye, they should help a lot to reduce further carp recruitment. Since the pond is only 1.5 acre, you might be able to then remove a significant number of the adult carp by angling or trot line over time. My thought is that if you do not drastically reduce new carp recruitment, you will be in a never ending battle to remove carp.

IMO It will not take many spawning carp to repopulate the pond if there is not sufficient predation on the YOY carp. Your stocking plan for gamefish does not include any wide mouth gap predators, such as LMB, which will make it crucial that you have enough small mouth gap predators to control the new spawned carp while they are less than 3 or 4 inches.

Not a pro..just my 1 cent.

Good luck and please let us know how it goes!

Bill D.


This is my game plan. I’m putting in 200 4-6in perch, 75 6in walleye, 150 5in crappie, 300 3in Bluegill, in the next couple months. Next spring I plan to add some HSB. I have put in about 15 yoy LMB recently but don’t plan to add too many more if I can help it. Then will try to catch as many carp as possible with hook and see what happens. Thanks again and any other info would be appreciated.

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#497035 - 09/30/18 08:17 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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IMO it was a good move adding some LMB. I think you will need them if you expect to have any chance of controlling the BG and BCP..... FWIW I would probably add a few more LMB now while you can inexpensively add small ones with limited loss to predation smile

IMO The HSB will be a nice addition! There have been some studies I've read about in PBM that suggest HSB are excellent in helping to control BCP.


Edited by Bill D. (09/30/18 09:31 PM)
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#497036 - 09/30/18 08:23 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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I used to live on a lake with a large carp population. I took a burlap bag, filled it 1/2 way with shelled field corn and a couple rocks. Then sank it a comfortable casting distance, after a few weeks the carp would come to the bag to suck the rotting corn through the bag. I fished close to the bag with open face spinning outfit, about 6# test line, and small treble hook only, no weight or leader. Form a Wheaty “Breakfast of Champions” ball around treble hook just big enough to cover barbs, very gently cast to bag and leave bail open so there is no resistance. When you see line going out, let a few feet go out the set the hook and get ready for a fight. Wheaty ball is made by taking a handful and dunking it in water then forming around hook and pressing firm. Casting requires smooth action with no jerks or excessive force. When they are biting you can catch a mess fast.
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#497037 - 09/30/18 09:22 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: john kelsey]
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Originally Posted By: john kelsey
Will Walleye eat pullets?


Hi John,

IMO it would take a very large walleye to eat a pullet (yearling chicken) although I recently received a picture of a 14 pound walleye from a friend that they caught that could probably do it! If you meant to say "pellet," I have never heard of pellet trained walleye. Maybe one of the pros can add info that I am not aware of...?


Edited by Bill D. (09/30/18 09:23 PM)
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#497038 - 09/30/18 10:10 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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For best control of small carp one needs a high density or over abundance of small LMB 8"-14". High silt turbidity will strongly reduce success of the other sport fish that rely on a good healthy plankton community consisting of phytoplankton and zooplankton that do not thrive in turbid water.


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#497044 - 10/01/18 08:06 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: Bill Cody]
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Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
High silt turbidity will strongly reduce success of the other sport fish that rely on a good healthy plankton community consisting of phytoplankton and zooplankton that do not thrive in turbid water.


And this is the reason I have built grow out ponds on my property to establish the 'sport fishery' on my pond with poor water clarity and carp overabundance. The other obvious option is to stock larger fish purchased from fish farms.
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#497054 - 10/01/18 12:03 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: Bill Cody]
jwetovick Offline


Registered: 04/08/16
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Loc: Nebraska
Originally Posted By: Bill Cody
For best control of small carp one needs a high density or over abundance of small LMB 8"-14". High silt turbidity will strongly reduce success of the other sport fish that rely on a good healthy plankton community consisting of phytoplankton and zooplankton that do not thrive in turbid water.


I was hoping to hold off on the LMB as long as I could just for a different kind of variety. However, you are right and I probably need to just bite the bullet and put more LMB in. I do see an TON of fry and minnows swimming in the shallows. I have caught many minnows and even some YOY green sunfish. So, that is a good sign that at least the greenies are spawning. The pond is 80% surrounded by cattails so there are plenty of places for the fry to hide. I plan on spraying at least some of the cattails to allow more bank fishing.

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#497089 - 10/02/18 07:54 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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have you considered a .22 rifle for the carp?

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#497090 - 10/02/18 08:02 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: tim k]
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Originally Posted By: tim k
have you considered a .22 rifle for the carp?


I've tried that with limited impact.
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#497094 - 10/02/18 09:12 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: tim k]
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Loc: Nebraska
Originally Posted By: tim k
have you considered a .22 rifle for the carp?

I absolutely considered that. Have yet to try it. I could probably have a bit of success with a shotgun as they are only about 10ft from me with their mouth at the top of the water. Shotgun wont go very deep at all though but figured it may get their head when its at the top of the water. I don't know, then my conscious kicks in a bit and I feel bad shooting them when my kid is asking what I'm doing. ha. NEDOC, what is your experience and why you didn't have much luck?

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#497095 - 10/02/18 09:42 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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NEDOC - did you ever try gill netting? I found a couple references to it on this forum.

I've watched a TV show of commercial fishermen in WI using gill nets to catch carp and buffalo. Seems like something to consider but you would want to run it ever few hours to release the desirable fish it catches.
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#497098 - 10/02/18 10:35 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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You should try to locate your local Bow Fishing enthusiasts. A new place to bow hunt is hard for a bow fisherman to pass up. A few guys and a small boat on a good night can take quite a few of the carp.
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#497103 - 10/02/18 11:14 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: Quarter Acre]
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Loc: Nebraska
Originally Posted By: Quarter Acre
You should try to locate your local Bow Fishing enthusiasts. A new place to bow hunt is hard for a bow fisherman to pass up. A few guys and a small boat on a good night can take quite a few of the carp.

We do have some of these guys around here. However, the water is so turbid you can't see much past 12in at best so not sure how great bow fishing would be?

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#497106 - 10/02/18 11:49 AM Re: Carp problem help [Re: roundy]
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Originally Posted By: roundy
I used to live on a lake with a large carp population. I took a burlap bag, filled it 1/2 way with shelled field corn and a couple rocks. Then sank it a comfortable casting distance, after a few weeks the carp would come to the bag to suck the rotting corn through the bag. I fished close to the bag with open face spinning outfit, about 6# test line, and small treble hook only, no weight or leader. Form a Wheaty “Breakfast of Champions” ball around treble hook just big enough to cover barbs, very gently cast to bag and leave bail open so there is no resistance. When you see line going out, let a few feet go out the set the hook and get ready for a fight. Wheaty ball is made by taking a handful and dunking it in water then forming around hook and pressing firm. Casting requires smooth action with no jerks or excessive force. When they are biting you can catch a mess fast.


As kids we would do the same thing but we would move the bag in to shore in the shallows after a few weeks. We would go to the bag twice a day and just use a pitchfork to kill the carp. I tell you as a kid it was a blast.
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#497107 - 10/02/18 12:12 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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I do expect that if you do try to shoot them you would be lucky that the shock-wave would stun them. I can imagine the projectile will do much at all. When trapping muskrat and not wanting to put a hole in the pelt we would take a 22 along. If there was a rat swimming we would shoot the water in front of them or under their head. The shock-wave would knock them out and they would drown.

With the carp I would use a 12 gauge slug Hornady SST slug. It would give the largest shock-wave you can generate in the water. That should KO them. You want to be as straight down as you can or know your target at beyond because these will skip off the water.
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#497199 - 10/04/18 05:44 PM Re: Carp problem help [Re: jwetovick]
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This is my personal experience. Shotgun with high power #6 shot is the only way to go. I carry an old single shot 20ga. I tried .22 and .17 but the water will deflect or stop the bullet easily. Also good chance of ricochet. Extremely wary fish. After shooting a couple of times around a feeder it would be weeks before I would get another shot at one. I wasn't there trying everyday either tho.


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