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#496839 - 09/25/18 12:03 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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ETA fully dried in? Getting close?


Donna-ski and I have discovered that everything is a little bit heavier and moves a little bit slower than 10 years ago. The only exception to this is my perception of ability. Being weekend warriors only delays my perception of ability even more.
Oh yeah; and let's not forget Mother Nature.
A couple more weekends to finish sheathing and underlayment = dried in. Installing the metal roof is the next mid-life challenge.
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#496841 - 09/25/18 02:58 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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I can relate to the "moving slower than 10 years ago".

There is a lot of difference between being 54 and 64 in the ability to keep moving. Stuff I used to do easily just poops me out any more.


Edited by snrub (09/25/18 02:58 PM)
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#497053 - 10/01/18 11:58 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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When we installed the underlayment on the steep roof section at the opposite side, Dski and I did it with 2 ladders, leap-frogging each other every 6 feet or so, over the 52' roof length. It was awkward, cumbersome, and tiring. Moreover, I want to try and keep Dski off the ladders as much as I can; just cuz.
So....
I got's me a 10 ft length of 2" PVC pipe, a 10 ft length of slotted angle iron, a 4 ft piece of 3/4" PVC pipe + 2"-to-3/4" bushing, and cut a 10" dia wooden wheel.

The slotted angle iron slips up inside the 2" PVC pipe, so it is "adjustable in height". We slip a 1/4" x 4" bolt thru the holes at the correct height to keep the PVC pipe supported. The 3/4" x 48" PVC mast is inside the roll of the underlayment. The 10" wooden wheel at the bottom of the underlayment roll is self-explanatory. Donna-ski was in charge of "unrolling".
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So, we are down to one big ol' sunroof

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#497056 - 10/01/18 12:08 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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How are you going to do the hole ?
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#497059 - 10/01/18 12:35 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: ewest]
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How are you going to do the hole ?

Just like the other roof sections; with ladders, muscle, and about 14 sheets of plywood.
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#497074 - 10/01/18 04:35 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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#497075 - 10/01/18 04:54 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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#497493 - 10/15/18 09:43 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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How to stretch a 24' ladder into a 30' ladder.

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Finally dried in. Next step; metal.
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#497500 - 10/15/18 11:01 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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This is where a telehandler is would be REALLY nice.

Looking good!


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#497510 - 10/15/18 11:53 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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Great Job !!

That top pic looks like eek an accident waiting to happen ! Almost a "watch this " moment. Glad it went well.
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#498935 - 11/25/18 10:03 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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It took quite a few weekends, but the metal roof is on. This is a huge monkey off'a my back. We can proceed into winter with a real roof. Since we work on weekends, it can be a crap shoot to coordinate with Mother Nature when I want reasonable weather. Then, because the pond region is very high humidity, it takes until about 11:00 am before the frost or dew is dry so I can safely negotiate the roof. With the shorter days, that then leaves about 5 good hours of productivity...providing the weather holds. There was one weekend with gusts that nearly blew me off the ladder more than once. I had to hook my hands under an adjacent roof panel to hold on. We just put on the ridge cap today, finishing about 6 hours before the winter storm front was due in. Yeah, timing is everything.
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4 boxes of metal fun, total 20 square

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#498956 - 11/26/18 03:10 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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All ready for winter and just in time ! Nice work !
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#498969 - 11/26/18 05:57 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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MAKING RUBE GOLDBERG PROUD[size:20pt][/size]
I did my level best to keep Donna-ski off the ladders. This created a conundrum when moving metal from the ground up to the top 2 planes of the roof. I used some scrap lumber and spent about $15 in cheap boards and a pulley and some clothes line to create a trolley lift. Pool noodles cut to length and zip tied keep it off the painted finish. It was used to move some 88 pcs of roofing and trim up to the top. See my above post for a pic of it staged.
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#499012 - 11/27/18 01:57 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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#499013 - 11/27/18 02:41 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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#499021 - 11/27/18 07:35 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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The 'Ski Lift

Use that to access the roof before the morning frost melts and it'll have an additional meaning.
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#500242 - 01/02/19 03:12 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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Exactly what I was going to build but on a smaller scale. If I ever get a pond built that is. Worried about increase in taxes.

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#500258 - 01/02/19 07:59 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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A pond with a dry hydrant for fire protection could lower your cost of house property insurance. Check into it.
https://www.ashtabulaswcd.org/dry%20fire%20hydrants/dryfirehydrants%201.htm
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#500277 - 01/03/19 08:13 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Bill Cody]
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Doesn't a pond itself cause an increase in insurance? I like my low rate. It would be nice if they dry hydrant could offset that and property taxes.

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#500284 - 01/03/19 10:00 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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I would check with your insurance provider about what a pond will do to your rates? Also ask about the dry hydrant for fire protection and the affect on your premium rate.
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#500287 - 01/03/19 10:25 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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Brett - tell me about the steel roofing. sure came in a nice gift box! Is that hidden fastener style? tell me about the advantages and costs vs what I usually see around here which is screwed-on.
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#500296 - 01/03/19 03:56 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Bill Cody]
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I would check with your insurance provider about what a pond will do to your rates? Also ask about the dry hydrant for fire protection and the affect on your premium rate.

And they make for great emergency aeration, if you have a fire truck available.


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#500299 - 01/03/19 04:36 PM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Redonthehead]
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Brett - tell me about the steel roofing. sure came in a nice gift box! Is that hidden fastener style? tell me about the advantages and costs vs what I usually see around here which is screwed-on.


Hey ROTH,
I have done 4 roofs, all standing seam/hidden fastener. All purchased from Menards. 2 were much smaller; the 2 larger were the Garage/Apt and this current project. Here are the bullet points:

  • The store you work with will help design the parts and dimensions needed.
  • They fill the job and ship it in those nice crates (see pics just above)
  • all the flat panels are cut to the specific length required; at one inch intervals, per your plan
  • all trim pieces (drip edge, rake trim, gambrel break trim, ridge cap, and a whole host of other trims) are all supplied in stock lengths, typically 12' long. To be cut and fabricated to fit on site.
  • All steel is .016" thick high strength low alloy. It is coated galvanized G-100. It is not galvalume, though.
  • They supply (and you purchase) all the screws and installation hardware, too.
  • The panels move pretty fast and are very easy to install. Laying in the first panel straight and square is key and critical. After that, each panel snaps over the last panel, buzz in a screw every 12" - 18" or so on trailing edge, rinse and repeat.
  • Price varies, mostly based on current domestic steel prices. Right now, the panels are running about $160 per square.
  • I always try to time the purchase with their famous "11% off everything" rebate.
  • Lead time is about 2 - 3 weeks from order date to in-store delivery. Hook up the utility trailer and go getcher boxes of metal fun.
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#500320 - 01/04/19 09:03 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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Our insurance rates went up after adding a steel roof to the farm house. Seems like insurance companies don't like steel roofs due to possible hail damage and replacement cost. Maybe because it's in E. Texas where we get some serious thunder storms with hail. I like what you have done with your place.
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#500322 - 01/04/19 09:17 AM Re: Building a garage-apartment with a pond view [Re: Brettski]
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I would not have told my insurance company if I installed a new roof. They just come up with excuses to increase your rate.

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