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#493993 - 07/19/18 08:40 PM Overgrowth in an old dry pond
For the Family Offline


Registered: 09/07/14
Posts: 109
Loc: Shepherdsville, Kentucky
I have cut my dam to allow drainage until I can repair the leak. Asking to know how to prepare for the fix and get a list of priorities. There are several 4ft tall bushes and small willows that are far away from my dam but would end up under water. I would consider that to be a good thing, or am I wrong? Should I bushhog before the water fills.


Edited by For the Family (07/19/18 08:41 PM)
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#494002 - 07/20/18 07:20 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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Registered: 08/22/17
Posts: 72
Loc: Huron OH
Most folks, myself included will probably recommend removing the willows while it's easy to get access to them. Willow roots are invasive and they can really rob a lot of water from the pond when they get bigger. With that being said, Willow trees look really nice in my opinion and I actually planted some in specific locations on my property (well away from my pond). They grow fast so if you want to have a Willow I would recommend putting it in a place where it can be enjoyed but will not interfere with the pond.


Edited by KRM1985 (07/20/18 07:21 AM)

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#494007 - 07/20/18 07:55 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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Registered: 09/19/14
Posts: 2591
Loc: Harrison Co. Texas
I left some willows in the water as the pond filled and it has been a hassle ever since. The willows will drop leaves and start up new trees all around. I would suggest you get rid of them, if you can.
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#494013 - 07/20/18 09:26 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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I use Remedy and diesel, applied to the trunk' to kill willows. They spread by both seeds and root.
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#494016 - 07/20/18 09:52 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Registered: 12/03/17
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Loc: Caswell co NC
Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
I use Remedy and diesel, applied to the trunk' to kill willows. They spread by both seeds and root.


Painted on the stump?
I've got a good number of willows to kill.
Only want to do the job once.
Remedy is $100 a gallon around here.
Worth it?


Edited by Clay N' Pray (07/20/18 10:04 AM)
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#494031 - 07/20/18 01:57 PM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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Registered: 06/10/16
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Loc: West Central Missouri
Tordon from you local farm store is about 15$ for a quart bottle (thera abouts) and is some tree killing stuff. I DON"T know if it should be used around a pond though...you'll have to look into that yourself.

It's great stuff, but has the potential to kill off tress within the range of the undesired tree's root system. This has not happened to me except if the surrounding tree/s are of the same species. I once killed several honey locust trees and several more a distance away also died. I didn't mind, those thorny buggars are hateful.

I put the tordon in a spray bottle and just spray the woody portion around the bark area after I cut the tree down. It saves a lot of poison compared to squirting it straight out of the bottle. It does not take much to do the job.
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#494033 - 07/20/18 02:34 PM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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Registered: 12/03/17
Posts: 195
Loc: Caswell co NC
https://www.domyown.com/tordon-rtu-specialty-herbicide-questions-pq-3481.html

The FAQ states that Tordon should not be used near ponds. Willow is not a species that it's listed to work with.
Too bad, it looks like good stuff otherwise.

Looks like Rodeo is recommended for use around water.


Edited by Clay N' Pray (07/20/18 02:50 PM)
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#494051 - 07/21/18 01:23 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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Registered: 09/07/14
Posts: 109
Loc: Shepherdsville, Kentucky
OK, thanks guys. I will look out for the Tordon as I wouldn't mind a fish kill. There's only about 2ft left in the bottom of the bowl. The dam is still cut and I doubt I will have the funds available to recore and seal it before next Tax year. I will look to Tordon the willows. What about the rest of the overgrown grass and thickets?
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#494052 - 07/21/18 07:25 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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I mix Remedy with diesel and spray from ground up to about a foot with it. Or, it can be mixed with water and used as a foliar.

The bottom line is that it works every time.

I wear nurse gloves.


Edited by Dave Davidson1 (07/21/18 07:25 AM)
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#494083 - 07/21/18 08:37 PM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Registered: 04/15/13
Posts: 270
Loc: illinois
I know it is not labeled for pond use but I have used Roundup many times to kill willow trees up to 6 feet tall. I am careful to get as little as possible in the water and I've never had a problem with it. Also works great on cattails at low pool in the summertime when many of them are out of the water a bit.

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#494092 - 07/22/18 07:43 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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Registered: 09/19/14
Posts: 2591
Loc: Harrison Co. Texas
I do the same Poppy, cut and squirt works, we have been doing that this past week.
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#494103 - 07/22/18 03:21 PM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: poppy65]
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Registered: 05/03/14
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Biologist told me that Roundup is generally pretty safe around ponds. Don't put in water directly, but okay around edge of pond.
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#494109 - 07/22/18 07:36 PM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
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Registered: 06/26/13
Posts: 18
Loc: Eastern Iowa
Roundup (glyphosate) is available in a formulation that is labeled for use around ponds. I get it at the farm store. There are various trade names, but one is Shore Klear. I have used it frequently on small willows and it works well. Best to apply in the early fall when the plants are drawing the nutrients out of the leaves down to the roots. Beware, it will kill the grass around the willows also. The Remedy will spare the grass.

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#494117 - 07/22/18 10:01 PM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 5327
Loc: SE Kansas
Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
I mix Remedy with diesel and spray from ground up to about a foot with it. Or, it can be mixed with water and used as a foliar.

The bottom line is that it works every time.

I wear nurse gloves.


I use Dave's mixture in a hand quart spray bottle for the sprouts around the edge of the pond. If water is low works easiest. Use a hooked stick bending the sprout towards the bank and wearing rubber boots I am able to spray from the pond towards the bank getting none of the mixture in the water. Kills em dead to the roots. If you mow or pull them they just come back from the roots.


Edited by snrub (07/22/18 10:03 PM)
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#494163 - 07/24/18 05:22 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: snrub]
Jonnywalter Offline


Registered: 05/23/18
Posts: 8
Loc: albania
Originally Posted By: snrub
wearing rubber boots

What kind of rubber shoes do you use?
I'm interested in the brand and model, my last boots the moisture for some reason.
Thanks in advance.


Edited by Jonnywalter (07/29/18 08:02 AM)

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#494164 - 07/24/18 06:32 AM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
Dave Davidson1 Offline
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Registered: 01/04/06
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Loc: Hurst & Bowie, Texas
I wear just about any kind of rubber boot
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It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

Boy, if I say "sic em", you'd better look for something to bite. Sam Shelley Rancher and Farmer Muleshoe Texas 1892-1985 RIP

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#494205 - 07/24/18 11:59 PM Re: Overgrowth in an old dry pond [Re: For the Family]
For the Family Offline


Registered: 09/07/14
Posts: 109
Loc: Shepherdsville, Kentucky
Outside of Willows would you all suggest mowing down tall grass.

The two schools of though are that

1)It would die off and add organic matter decaying.

2)We all try hard to establish grass in our ponds, why cut what you have?
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