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#493764 - 07/15/18 03:11 PM Hi from Scranton PA area
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Registered: 07/15/18
Posts: 3
Loc: NE PA
Hi everyone-
Iíve been lurking here for a few weeks and have searched through a lot of old threads.
I have no experience with water other than drinking it and swimming but thereís a new development for us so Iíve come here hoping to find some help.

About 10 years ago a family member built a pond which never worked out. Itís 2-2/3 acres of surface area with a maximum depth around 12Ė14 feet. While it has held water for short periods of time it has always drained out. Our running theory is the excavators cracked the bluestone at the bottom of the dig. Itís pretty clear there will need some pretty extensive help to fix and time isnít doing us any favors.
The real issue at the moment is the dam, and this is where Iím looking for advice. The outside of the dam is well mown grass with one or two ground hog burrows- Iím sure they canít be a good thing.
Also, over 10 years a lot of brush and a number of trees have grown on the inside of the dam. It may be a couple of years more before we can give this any serious attention but if possible Iíd like to limit any extra damage over the next 2-4 years. Some of the trees are reaching 4+Ē diameter and most everything is fast growing soft wood. Should I cut the trees and leave a couple of feet of stump to stop root infiltration? What about willows and similar bushes? I had considered cutting their branches to maybe a foot long to limit their growth.
Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.




Edited by Nate W (07/17/18 10:18 PM)

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#493820 - 07/16/18 10:29 PM Re: Hi from Scranton PA area [Re: Nate W]
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Small trees like that should be ok to kill. If they get much bigger, they can be a real problem. I have good success with Remedy and diesel applied to the trunk.
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#493876 - 07/17/18 08:56 PM Re: Hi from Scranton PA area [Re: Nate W]
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Dave, thanks for the input. The Google picture is a little old and the growth is somewhat bigger now- which is why Iím looking into this. The biggest concern I have is making a problem into a BIG problem. The pond site is beautiful and has great runoff feeds so when we can give it the attention it deserves it will be amazing.
The forum threads here have given us some great ideas and Iím confident that in time this pond will live up to its potentially.
As I mentioned before Iím totally new to this kind of thing so Iíll be grateful for any suggestions AT ALL.


Edited by Nate W (07/17/18 10:16 PM)

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#493878 - 07/17/18 11:12 PM Re: Hi from Scranton PA area [Re: Nate W]
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Youíre in the right place for answers. Take your time and make sure to spend a lot of time studying all options. It doesnít sound like waiting is going to hurt you any. But I would remove the trees ASAP.
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#493885 - 07/18/18 06:44 AM Re: Hi from Scranton PA area [Re: Nate W]
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The biggest problem is the tree roots weakening the dam. Then, if/when they die, it leaves small voids.
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#493888 - 07/18/18 08:02 AM Re: Hi from Scranton PA area [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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Registered: 07/15/18
Posts: 3
Loc: NE PA
Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
The biggest problem is the tree roots weakening the dam. Then, if/when they die, it leaves small voids.

Thatís where Iím concerned. If we let the trees grow the roots work in further. As thereís probably not going to be much work done soon the goal is to minimize medium term damage. Pulling them out makes sense but weíd need immediate proper repairs to the holes and thatís not likely to happen right now (Iím assuming weíd want to pack the holes with clay?).
Eventually the trees have to go as they will be underwater when the pond is finally filled

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#493899 - 07/18/18 11:51 AM Re: Hi from Scranton PA area [Re: Nate W]
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I doubt trees of that size will cause any dam integrity issues if you kill them off now. The problem is if you don't kill them, even mowing them off, the roots will continue to grow, just not as fast. Softwoods tend to have mostly surface roots, not like nut trees with a tap root into the water table.

Kill the trees, mow the dam once a year. Early spring before green-out to kill/knock back the brush but leave wildflower plants to support ecosystem and suppress new brush seeds due to competition with tall native plants.
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