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Hay there Frank. Todd told me he had not seen a pond like mine where Gizzards were a good choice. I Figured mine is maybe to small?? I went with the 15lbs per acre of Tp after reading where Todd had made a post here a few years back where he thought 12lbs per acre was good for a lmb/bg pond. He did recommend the Tp to me this season but we did not discuss how many to add. My BAD! You might have figured by now I always push things a little. Hope someday it does not bite me in the arse smile


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I'm afraid that I pushed it even more, 20 lb TP per acre. But I don't have TFS.


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One of my neighbors has a 3 acre pit pond, very little dam. During a big flood in 2011, gizzard shad swam through his field from the White River and entered his pond. Last year an 11-plus pound northern LMB was caught out of there, and released.

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For a northern LMB that is absolutely crazy!


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Originally Posted By: anthropic
I'm afraid that I pushed it even more, 20 lb TP per acre. But I don't have TFS.



I no longer have TFS, not after this last winter.


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Question here guys. After stocking some feed trained lmb from Overtons, I started hand feeding using Purina 1" lmb pellets. And right now I am feeding once per day about 1.5 gal container of pellets. A half gallon if right at 100 pellets, so I am feeding around 250 pellets plus or minus. It looks like it will take about 4 sks per month to continue feeding at this rate. The feed is gone just as fast as it hits the water with both lmb and hsb feeding at the same time. So my question is how many 1" pellets can the stomach of a 3 lb lmb or hsb hold? What u think?

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Originally Posted By: TGW1
Question here guys. After stocking some feed trained lmb from Overtons, I started hand feeding using Purina 1" lmb pellets. And right now I am feeding once per day about 1.5 gal container of pellets. A half gallon if right at 100 pellets, so I am feeding around 250 pellets plus or minus. It looks like it will take about 4 sks per month to continue feeding at this rate. The feed is gone just as fast as it hits the water with both lmb and hsb feeding at the same time. So my question is how many 1" pellets can the stomach of a 3 lb lmb or hsb hold? What u think?


Wow, Tracy. Two hundred fifty 1" pellets! I probably throw a tenth that many. But I don't feed to satiation, just to get them revved up before the TH feeding of 3/8" LMB pellets.

Just a guess, but if LMB can eat fish one-third their length, I'd say one 2 lber might hold six 1" pellets. Real experts will correct me, I'm sure.


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My guess Tracy is 2 fold. I think you are asking 2 different things. I think a 3 lb LMB stomach will hold 6-8 pellets easy. But I don't think one will eat that many. I would guess a LMB would eat 1 or 2 max in your conditions. HSB are different and are known to gorge on pellets. I think one 3 lb HSB could hold 6 pellets but probably would only eat 2 maybe 3 at one time. The question is the competition level for the pellets.

I think you made wise decisions on the no GShad and the tilapia only.
I would not do 1 feeder per acre on a multi acre lake. To much risk of water quality issues if you feed more than a few lbs per acre a day. Studies say 10 lbs per acre max and that IMO is highly risky.
















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Eric, Competition is fierce! That is why I have been throwing out some 250+-. I don't want to over feed. I got 16 - 17" Hsb recently from Overton's. Ladder stocking over the past 3 yrs. So, really not sure of the count on how many hsb in the pond. Last survey we got 10 but I don't think surveys on HSB are always correct due to water depths and such things. I also added 15 feed trained lmb per acre and have lost a few of those. And I feed a total of 24 seconds from all three feeders or 8 seconds per day per feeder when feeding the CNBG. That is WAY down from what I have feed from the first yr or second yr or even the third year of bg feeding. You know, learning curve smile I am concerned of water chemistry as you know.


Frank, Thanks for the smile this morning smile This is why I was asking how many can they eat or hold in their stomach.


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And I feed a total of 24 seconds from all three feeders or 8 seconds per day per feeder when feeding the CNBG. That is WAY down from what I have feed from the first yr or second yr or even the third year of bg feeding.


Compare total feed weight each year (all types of pellets)and see if they are close for water quality issues. Sounds like you have more predators than you had and less forage. Feeding the predators directly will reduce predation on forage for the same # of predators. But you now have more pellet eating predators.


Current BG status is based on feeding less predation. It is hard to get the same anticipated results when production is decreased (feeding or fertilization). That is why it is generally stated once you start to feed or fertilize (ramp up productivity) you have to continue or make drastic changes. Same concept for reducing productivity just not as drastic. For example if a pond is fed 200 lbs of pellets pre acre pre year and you drop back to 100 your BG condition will drop (get skinny) unless total mortalities increase (predation by man or fish). Factor that in with the loss of TFS plus the addition of new fish (HSB , LMB, and tilapia). Not an easy task but it should help give you one more bit of info.

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Eric, I am adjusting several things at the pond. Starting this past spring(which was colder than normal and seemed shorter to). I started with a good treatment of Alum Sulfate. At the time it cleared the water but not as much as expected, but it did clear the water. So, with 24" visibility of nice green water. I started up the diffusers that now run 12 hrs per night verses the 24/7 for the past two yrs. Added the Tp, Feed trained lmb and hsb. The water cleared even more(guessing the diffusers brought up some clear water from bottom of the pond. So now the water is at 36"+- visibility. Bob Lusk recommended (On Facebook) clear water during summer months so I did not fertilize. I did the first two yrs but had natural bloom last year with no fertilizer needed. I figure feeding the fish will provide fertilization this year. I am thinking the water will green up some more because of the lack of rooted plants using the waters nutrients. I am hoping not to have dense blooms in June and Oct like I had in the past. And yes I have more predators this year. I am pretty sure I needed them to reduce the cnbg population. Cnbg population is still high based on many things I see and or catch at the pond. I have been waiting for June to come along so I could sein up samples. June recommendation for seining I learned from your past recommendations. Like I said, I am changing a few things. For the better I hope. I am sure I will be back soon asking questions. Thanks again !! OH! Jump in with your thoughts guys, always like your comments, recommendation's.

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For everyone - about fertilization. It is a tool ,see the archive post on fertilization. Tracy one thing that is misleading about fertilization is difference between a fertilization plan/program for infertile waters vs. the use of small amounts of fertilizer as a slight enhancement. The later can be done by experienced pond owners in small amounts to help. Most think that it is an all or none approach that requires full fertilization to be helpful. That is incorrect. The problem is the eyes deceive - most people think that because they cant visually see big changes in productivity that they are not there. I have seen (no pun intended) in tests substantial increases in productivity ( plankton increases of 10 to 15%) that were not visually confirmed. You cant see the change with your eyes. Just because you cant see it does not mean that its not there for the fish to eat .

With water visibility at 36 inches a small amount of water soluble pond fertilizer can be used to keep the bloom at 30-36 inches and not let it drop to 45 inches. Those type refinements often can not be seen with the naked eye view but can make a big difference to the fish. An occasional enhancement (1 or 2 per growing season) by using (depending on the pond and manager) of small amounts ( 1 lb or less) per acre of water soluble fertilizer can be a productive tool.

I am not suggesting that you need to fertilize , just noting the potential if the situation arises for you or others.

Its now June and time in the south to run seine surveys for the first time this year.

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ewest, I am glad you(as most always) got back with the information on fertilization. That information in the archives is most valuable to a new pond owner in the south and I have followed those for the past three yrs and have been very happy with the results from fertilization. I would keep 18 to 24" visibility in green water the majority of the time. Last Oct I ran into a totally different problem with poor visibility and I believe it could have slowed my fish growth so I did the Alum Sulfate treatment. Now, as I believed it would, the visibility went from 36" day before yesterday to this morning where I now have 31" visibility of a dark green color. The water looks great. I hope it stays but I have learned from here and from experience, The water will change sooner or later. smile And I pulled out the 40' sein today for an upcoming seining sample.

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Originally Posted By: TGW1
I pulled out the 40' sein today for an upcoming seining sample.


I wanted to take mine to the living room for a close inspection, but my wife said that was insein.

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