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#389297 - 10/10/14 09:51 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Yep, and if the rain would work on it enough, it would start an erosion channel.

If that area settled more than the rest of the dam, to me that means that it wasn't compacted as well as the rest of the dam. With the anti-seep collars on the pipe, I'm not concerned about water following the pipe thru the dam, but if they weren't there, I would be.

Have the deer been active in checking out their new watering hole?
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#389492 - 10/13/14 06:38 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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The deer have found it. I think the construction forced them out for a while, but I'm seeing a lot more tracks around the pond lately.
Rain today and tomorrow. Hopefully we will be a little closer to a full pond..
Lots of the wheat on the pond banks has come up, not sure if any fescue has started.
I'll have to figure out a way to get lime and fertilizer spread over the straw.
I've got a plan to get that depression along the pipe channel filled. Needs to dry out a bit first. I'm not taking the tractor out on the dam until it's good and dry.
Thx
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#389702 - 10/14/14 04:38 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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I've got to say, I'm pretty happy with what I'm seeing so far. (I hope I didn't just jinx myself!)
Another few feet of water. (13 or 14' deep now) I've got to move my 2x2 again. It was where I could stand on a rock and pound it in.

Floating maple trees and pallet for FHM spawn/cover. I think I'll add more FHM.. Just 15 lbs in so far.

I'm hoping the fescue gets established enough to keep things stable through the winter and on into spring.

Anything else I should be doing before winter?
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3 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
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#389830 - 10/15/14 04:12 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Another shot.
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#389833 - 10/15/14 05:02 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Looks very nice...good job! Ive struggled with clay washing in while getting cover started.
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#389835 - 10/15/14 05:05 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: stickem']
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If we could have some of your extra water.... Pond is looking great!!!! Now the fun starts, enjoy


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#390813 - 10/27/14 07:44 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Well, it's been two weeks since this big rain. The water level has dropped about 2".
Is this normal for first time fill?
No water behind the dam. The grass continues to grow. Guess I'm still positive..
Should I be? What's a normal drop in a week?
Thanks
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3 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
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#390814 - 10/27/14 07:47 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Also, as you can see. The trees are pretty close to the bank. Now the leaves are piling into the pond. Possible problems? Should I try to get a aerator running ASAP?
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3 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#390843 - 10/27/14 09:32 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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If you've only lost 2" I think you are doing very well.

Aeration - I've never heard of a pond that was hurt by having a properly sized aeration system installed.

Do you *need* one this year? IMHO, no.

Next year once you are sure the pond will hold water at full pool and you stock the rest of the fish? Yes.
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#390864 - 10/28/14 06:21 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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2 inches is very normal due to wicking back into the banks and dam.
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#390886 - 10/28/14 10:41 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Thanks for the info guys. I've got to quit worrying so much. Ha
My youngest son has a environmental science degree, with a emphasis in water resource management. He read through the paper on alum treatment. I think he's used alum before in a internship he did a few years ago. He's going to grab some stuff from the lab he works at now and get a baseline ph on the pond.
I guess it'll be good to know the starting point.

I'm sure we will get enough rain in the next few months to bring it to capacity.
After talking with Rex, I think I'm going to try and run some kind of aeration system. Not sure how much capability I'll need. I'll have to run tubing a few hundred yards from my barn to the pond. May look at running elec out next summer.
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3 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#390888 - 10/28/14 10:48 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Running tubing out from the barn is no big deal. Trench it in. Squirrels will chew thru it if you don't. It doesn't have to be deep, just out of the way of getting flattened when run over or chewed thru by rodents. Run 1 1/4" black poly pipe like they run from the well pump to the bladder tank. You'll need that large of a pipe for the volume of air that you'll need for that distance. I don't know your prices there, but I just got a quote for 1 1/4" black poly tube at $0.60/ft for up to a 1,000 ft. spool.

Have him test for alkalinity and hardness too.


Edited by esshup (10/28/14 04:11 PM)
Edit Reason: brain running ahead of fingers
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#390907 - 10/28/14 11:57 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Looking great.

Cover crop on the dam, water filling and holding.

You have a pond!
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#390936 - 10/28/14 03:50 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
If you've only lost 2" I think you are doing very well.



That's what I was thinking too!!!

Nice looking place. Once people find out about it, your going to need more than one chair!!!!

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#391016 - 10/29/14 06:22 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Thanks! Back today to check some deer stuff. The water seems to be clearing a bit on its own. Maybe the clay particles are grabbing on to the leaves. Ha

I'm thinking of strapping a few cedar trees to these pipes.
The guy that had this farm before me was somewhat of a "collector" (of anything). Ha
These should be heavy enough to keep some cedars submerged.
4" pipe, not sure if they are sealed on the ends.
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3 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#391025 - 10/29/14 07:55 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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SetterGuy...Wow!!! Beautiful fall pic....
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#391036 - 10/29/14 09:40 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: stickem']
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yep, they're sealed. See the plates welded to the ends?

Get a sawzall, cut the plates off, pound them into the pond. Do what ewest and a few others do, rope around the tree, loop one end of the rope around the pipe.

Still holding water??
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#391055 - 10/30/14 12:43 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Some types of clay settle out on their own, some don't. If you are lucky, your clay will settle out and the water will clear. My old pond after cleaning it out did not. But in its case ag lime did the trick and now it is reasonably clear.
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#391058 - 10/30/14 01:14 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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Using a single length of 1" to 1 1/4" poly tubing, buried 24" would make it easier to push through electric cable whenever you decide to.

I think I forgot to tell you that when I visited your pond, the best secchi reading I got was only 3.5", with the average being 2".
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#391101 - 10/30/14 12:16 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: stickem']
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Originally Posted By: stickem'
SetterGuy...Wow!!! Beautiful fall pic....


Thank you. I'm pretty excited about it. Still need a rain storm or two to get it filled.
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3 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#391102 - 10/30/14 12:19 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
yep, they're sealed. See the plates welded to the ends?

Get a sawzall, cut the plates off, pound them into the pond. Do what ewest and a few others do, rope around the tree, loop one end of the rope around the pipe.

Still holding water??


Yep.. I thought I'd have to cut them off. Oh well. I'll have to look up their posts. I was thinking of setting the pipes and cedars on the ice when it freezes this winter.
And yes, it's still holding water. Down maybe another half inch this week, maybe a little more. Three weeks since the last rain down about three inches over all.
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3 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep.
RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
I think that's about all I should put in my little pond.

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#391104 - 10/30/14 12:23 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: Rainman]
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Originally Posted By: Rainman
Using a single length of 1" to 1 1/4" poly tubing, buried 24" would make it easier to push through electric cable whenever you decide to.

I think I forgot to tell you that when I visited your pond, the best secchi reading I got was only 3.5", with the average being 2".


I hate to admit this. I have no idea what a secchi reading is. Should I add something now? Or is the secchi reading the clarity reading? It actually seems a bit more clear. From zero (previous) to a few inches.
I was skimming out some floating gunk and scooped out a bunch of tadpoles. Ha. I assume that's a "ok" thing for the pond? Pretty late hatch, but the pond isn't very old.
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#391112 - 10/30/14 01:46 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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#391118 - 10/30/14 02:32 PM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: SetterGuy]
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I had noticed the tadpoles, which are common toad tadpoles. They will be all over the pond, along with loads and loads of eggs that will look like little black gel covered seeds in the shallows.
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#391249 - 10/31/14 10:12 AM Re: Picking a pond builder [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
yep, they're sealed. See the plates welded to the ends?

Get a sawzall, cut the plates off, pound them into the pond. Do what ewest and a few others do, rope around the tree, loop one end of the rope around the pipe.

Still holding water??


Scott,
I'm not sure what you mean when you can pound them into the pond.. I was thinking about just drilling a 1" hole in each end. That should let them sink. They'd just lay flat on the bottom with the thickest part of the cedar trunk tied to the pipe, and extend upward. Would that work?
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