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My wife & I put bird scare holographic tape around a few of the water turkey favorite perches yesterday. Today, no sign of cormorants! grin

Of course, we'll have to mix it up in the future with scare eye balloons and such, but a good start.

Oh yeah, my bride addled two goose eggs, all we could find in the three geese nests on our island. We'll have more eggs to deal with, I'm sure.

PS Yesterday we saw a mallard, today a Muscovy duck. I dont mind ducks, just dislike geese & especially cormorants.

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I hope that continues to work for you! We have a problem with cormorants as well. We had around 100 on the 66 acre lake I'm managing a few weeks ago and they were pretty tough to scare off. I am currently trying to get a degradation permit to take care of them but it's like pulling teeth. I've been from the NCDNR to the USDA and am now dealing with the US Wildlife Services. Good luck and if you can think of a way to keep them off of a large BOW, please let me know. Thanks!

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Offer a summer job for a few kids to fly drones a few times a day to harass them. Newer drones have range of several miles and can hover, swoop, and harass bigger birds pretty effectively.

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I'm sure you didn't touch the eggs to keep them from hatching because that would be illegal. What you meant to say is that you constructed a physical barrier to impede the nest site.

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We're probably nearing (or at) the day where you could program one to do it automatically and return periodically to its charge pad

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Guess we'll get some of those Goose B gone flashing lights. Too many geese on the island, and I have no intention of shooting them nor anything wrong. Surprised to hear addling is illegal, since the videos I watched about how to do it were from Fish & Game service! shocked

Long term, I'll have to get a bird dog to swim & run them off. Cormorants seem more frightened of scare tape than geese.

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I think I read you have to get a permit from F&G to legally addle the eggs. If you can show they are a nuisance I think they will issue a permit.


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I think Anthropic was talking about goose eggs. There are so many of them now I don't see how they can be considered any way endangered.

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Frank, have you noticed if the tape or big eyes cause any reaction by the GBH? I also wonder how the deer or other animals act as they approach the pond for watering?


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Originally Posted By: John Fitzgerald
I think Anthropic was talking about goose eggs. There are so many of them now I don't see how they can be considered any way endangered.


John this might have changed since I looked into it a couple years ago, but at the time if you wanted to addle goose eggs you had to have a nuisance permit from Fish and Game. Best I recall I got that information off their web site as well as a video of how addling is accomplished.

I don't think it has to do with being endangered but because they are a migratory bird and thus protected.

You are right. There is no shortage of Geese, either Canada or snow. Unless I suppose you are a goose hunter. They probably want lots of them.

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We don’t get any here just fly overs. Would y’all send me a few? Need something else to gripe about other than cormorants and otters.

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They used to just mostly pass through here too. Then they started sticking around.The Canada's that is. The snow geese still just pass through. They love to graze wheat fields.

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Frank, have you noticed if the tape or big eyes cause any reaction by the GBH? I also wonder how the deer or other animals act as they approach the pond for watering?


Cormorants don't like the holographic tape one bit. Only one water turkey at the pond today, and it was perched at the opposite end from the tape, totally out of sight. Maybe it will be a different story when they get used to it, or on a calm day.

Geese don't seem to care, unfortunately. But then, I have yet to put up the scare eye balloons, maybe that will make a difference.

Something -- likely a raccoon? -- raided the goose nests last night. We found a complete egg with one side chewed out. Can't say I'll weep any tears for the geese. Whatever it was had to swim about ten yard to get to the island.

I don't know if the scare tape affects anything else other than cormorants. I've heard lots of complaints that the tape doesn't survive high winds, but it is doing just fine so far.


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Originally Posted By: Pat Williamson
We don’t get any here just fly overs. Would y’all send me a few? Need something else to gripe about other than cormorants and otters.


Not to worry Pat. You don't really need the actual geese. I'm sure lots of folks here on the forum that are blessed with these feathered beasts would be happy to send you hundreds of pounds of goose "tootsie rolls" to coat you shoreline and foul your water! mad

PM me yer new address and I'll get the first truck load of "tootsie rolls" on the way! grin

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Thanks Bill sounds like a plan

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" Guess we'll get some of those Goose B gone flashing lights. Too many geese on the island, and I have no intention of shooting them nor anything wrong. Surprised to hear addling is illegal, since the videos I watched about how to do it were from Fish & Game service! shocked

Long term, I'll have to get a bird dog to swim & run them off. Cormorants seem more frightened of scare tape than geese."

I have two "geese-be-gone" lighting systems which do not appear very effective to me. It's common for us to have 35 to 40 geese at a time with a record of 150. I have a time with blue heroine which eat a 1 to 1.5 pound trout every other day or so. Yikes. I was concerned about heat getting to the trout this summer, now I have a new nemesis.

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I think even the town workers around here addle goose eggs at the city ponds. They have become a health hazard in many places.

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Addling is not illegal as far as I know. Seems to be a conflict of news in this one. I am always afraid to ask questions like this as it may limit your options once someone is looking your way, or a neighbor starts to get nosy (we have one of those, particularly bad nosy neighbor).

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Originally Posted By: John Fitzgerald
I think Anthropic was talking about goose eggs. There are so many of them now I don't see how they can be considered any way endangered.


They are not endangered, but they are Protected by US F&W as a migratory bird. You can addle eggs but to do it legally first you have to get permission: https://epermits.fws.gov/eRCGR/

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I think Anthropic was talking about goose eggs. There are so many of them now I don't see how they can be considered any way endangered.


They are not endangered, but they are Protected by US F&W as a migratory bird. You can addle eggs but to do it legally first you have to get permission: https://epermits.fws.gov/eRCGR/


Thanks for the info, I want to follow the law. May not be an issue any more for me this year as some geese have already departed after raccoon raid on their nests.


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Thanks for the info, I want to follow the law. May not be an issue any more for me this year as some geese have already departed after raccoon raid on their nests.


Same thing must have happened to ours laugh

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First time I've ever been grateful for raccoons!


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Visited pond today -- it's about an hour drive -- and geese numbers continue to drop, now down to four from ten a week ago. Only one cormorant still around, and he's far from our holographic scare tape.

Raccoon egg raid seems to have soured Canada geese on our site, thank goodness. We put scare tape on stump the lone cormorant likes, perhaps can drive number down to zero.


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Some of scarecrows that I have built to discourage the Cormorants







































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Well, that would sure make ME nervous!


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Nice scarecrows, much nicer than the "ONE" I built out of two by fours with a shirt and ball cap. Mine did not seen to work much as it was placed on the shoreline. The boat idea most likely worked better but a boat full of rain water is a pain to keep a float and would have to be emptied many times during this time of year. But still, when lead poisoning can not be used, hay, it's better than the darn birds I think! And I think your scarecrows are an art and you have a good place to show off your work!

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Had 3 water turkey scouts stop by the pond today. I don't mind most predatory birds. We have at various times little blue herons, an occasional great blue and green herons. All are interesting additions to the pond despite their thieving ways.

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I hear bad things about these water turkeys. Particularly that the first scouts can bring a mess of friends and clean out a pond.

The dog spooked them for a bit, but they returned. They are not shy. I ended up scaring them away with very loud noises. If they come back I'll consider obtaining a Texas Cormorant Control Permit.


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Unfortunately, those permits aren't available anymore. That's scheduled to change with a new federal permit though.


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What new permit Al??? And when?


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Al is right.


It's not about the fish. It's about the pond. Take care of the pond and the fish will be fine. PB subscriber since before it was in color.

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In my area cormorants are a serious problem. As said, some scout and when they find a pond full of fish they call their friends. A few years ago 5 cormorans settled in mine and, in about 3 months, they eat about half of my fish, not counting all those who died because of the pecks but who were too big to be swallowed (most LMB among the 14 " and the 18 "...).
In the following years I tried all the legal methods known to keep them away (holographic tapes, flashing discs, fake birds of prey, gas cannons ...), but nothing worked. Then I got lucky with the scare eye balloons. I bought 6 of 3 different colors, hanging them on poles and moving them weekly alternating colors so that cormorans do not get used, they have worked for me. But they have two problems: they are not very resistant and if, for any reason, you cannot move them for a while, cormorants get used quickly and you find them in the pond anyway.
So studying and thinking I found a more functional, cheap and safe system. The only flaw is that it only works with small ponds like mine (1 or 2 acres).
As the cormorant is a big bird and its plumage is not impermeable to allow it to dive "ballasted", to take off from the pond it requires many meters of free water.
So in October 2017 I bought 1,000 meters of 80 lb fishing line, I planted 12 rebars in the pond about 7 'from the shore, leaving them 3' out of the water. Then I pulled the line between a rebar and the other, creating a sort of net suspended about 1 meter from the water.
Cormorants are afraid of colliding with those lines in landing and not being able to leave safely and quickly in case of danger, so they avoid the pond.
I install it in November and take it off in March (when cormorants are looking for ponds here), but the spaces between one line and the other still allow me to fish easily from the shore and from the pier.
Last winter I saw hundreds of cormorants flying over my lake but anyone in the lake. This year is going the same way, so I'm happy and my fish even more.

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I had a scout at the pond day before yesterday. I try to discourage the scouts. I think it helps to keep numbers of them away. My Golden Retriever who is now a year old is told "See That Bird? He Is Eating my fish" and he will start Growling and barking and busting the water after the cormorants, GBH or any other bird when I tell him "bird eating my fish" smile He has grown to be quite birdy and is going to make a good duck hunting dog.


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What new permit Al??? And when?


Flame, I hope we can get it this year.

IIRC, this was posted by TPWD in August of 2017.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/business/permits/land/wildlife/cormorant/


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Tracy, Brian came over last week to show me his new drone. I think his has a range of around 4 miles. I can see plenty of fun to be had by chasing off winged critters from the comfort of my fort porch.


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AL, I LAUGH at seeing that picture smile I hope it has floats like a float plane or floating helicopter. I know Brian has flying skills smile For me I have trouble gaming on the TV using hand controls so I could see me flying it into the water smile OOPS! I think I have some of those same fish that Pat has. Water test show good numbers of hardness but no lead so it has to be the fish they are eating.

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So a quick story from WW2.

It was so hard to get food near the end of the war and keeping it so someone ells didn't get it. Grandpa learned that with a hook and a line and small float they could catch fish eating ducks. wink wink, The line would be about 2 feet long with the hook then another 2 feet of line with a float. This was all tied to a very large rock on the bottom. This would be placed in water that was 4.5 feet deep or deeper.

When the duck would dive down and grab the bait on the hook it would swallow the bait and hook with a bunch of line. The rock was so heavy that the duck could not make it back up to the surface for air. The duck would also be deep enough that no one knew where it was under the water but grandpa who placed it.

I would not be here with out grandpa's poaching.


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Neat story Don.


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Mom told me that she learned to poach eggs when she was little. Always assumed she was referring to cooking, but ...

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Just took a look at the federal form 3-200-13 for Migratory Bird Depredation.

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The judge was obviously not a fisherman, nor a pond owner. Nor is he or she elected. Shows the importance of the judiciary.


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