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#446975 - 05/11/16 12:40 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: ewest]
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Registered: 05/20/11
Posts: 358
Loc: Wash. County , IN. 10ac. pond
Don't see or catch a lot of either one. I do remove Bass in the 8-14" range when I catch them. Of the 25 Crappie I caught this past weekend I only put one back. Less than 9" the rest were 11" plus. And this is the most I've gotten into ever on me. All were caught on a white beetle spin 4 lb test. Even a 21 1/2" 5 lb plus Bass. (That was fun!!)
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#450669 - 06/27/16 02:53 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: R&R]
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Loc: SE Kansas
Originally Posted By: R&R
Originally Posted By: ewest
Nice fish ! What is the history of the pond?


ewest , Built in 2006 (Not by me) We purchased in 2010. Realtor said "Fully Stocked" Previous owner said " My boys threw some bluegills in here from one of my other ponds". Seemed be overrun with GSF at the time. Thought I would kill it and start over. Didn't happen. I put about 25 6-8" LMB in from my pond. I let a buddy put 50 2" BCP in. Both in the Spring of 2011. Still thinking I would kill and start over.Had pretty thick Southern Niad. Put 30 Grass Carp in spring 2012. They have since wiped it out. Too much so. That pretty much is where its at. Catching Bass up to about 6 lbs now. Crappie seem to have not overrun YET. Still catch a few descent BG and the occasional GSF.


I'm guessing that means you are not going to kill the pond off and start over now. laugh

Some might say you just got lucky with your pond and they might be right.

I have pondered about luck a lot. I firmly believe people have a tendency to give plain old dumb luck too little credit for many of the successes in life. I have tended at times in my life to give dumb luck too little credit and made the assumption that the success was all my doings. That often led me to unsuccessful outcomes as my high opinion of my abilities outstripped my common sense.

Good luck is such a wonderful thing. If it were only more dependable I would have turned to it all the time by now. But it is just so undependable and it seems my luck improves with my intensity of application of initiative.

This is not specifically targeted at you R&R. Just ramblings thinking about the many stories I have enjoyed here on PBF. There are the stories where everything was planned and worked out according to plan, where everything was planned and still did not work out, and the ones I especially enjoy like your story where really nothing ended up going like you planned but it turned out pretty darned fantastic anyway.

Ya just never know.
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#453445 - 08/04/16 02:00 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: snrub]
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Loc: Wash. County , IN. 10ac. pond
snrub ,
You are so correct!!! Since purchasing this property I'm pretty sure not one single thing has went according to plan. But you know the older I get the more OK with that I am.

On a side note from an absolute amateur perspective. This is the first year of 6 owning this pond that it has not dropped more than an inch Due to timely rains here in southern Indiana. "I believe" for that reason I have had a much better survival rate amongst my BG fry. Makes sense to me anyway. What say you experts??
Thanks.
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#462439 - 01/22/17 03:49 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Sorry to Highjack. Couldn't find how to start a new thread. is there anyway to remove or kill all the crappie without damaging other fish. Going to build a new pond downstream of my old one.Just hate toloose my nice bass and mAGNUM BLUGILLS. I WILL TRY AND SAVE SOME.
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#462440 - 01/22/17 03:57 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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daleK asks ""is there anyway to remove or kill all the crappie without damaging other fish." If you can figure that out you will become a millionaire or at least multiple of thousands in your pocket.
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#462441 - 01/22/17 04:00 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: dale k]
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Originally Posted By: dale k
Sorry to Highjack. Couldn't find how to start a new thread.


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#462670 - 01/25/17 06:25 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Any Crappie Updates?

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#462685 - 01/25/17 09:08 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: MRHELLO]
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Registered: 10/19/14
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Originally Posted By: MRHELLO
Any Crappie Updates?


I'll throw in a topic for discussion. I've read in a few places that HSB and crappies MAY be a "marriage made in heaven." It seems there is some data that, do to the pelagic nature of both small crappies and HSB, that HSB are very effective at controlling crappie populations in smaller BOWs which in the past were considered too small to maintain a crappie population without stunting. I don't have a dog in this fight but I found the data intriguing. Comments?
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#462700 - 01/26/17 10:06 AM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 01/09/12
Posts: 857
Loc: Central IL
Originally Posted By: Bill D.
Originally Posted By: MRHELLO
Any Crappie Updates?


I'll throw in a topic for discussion. I've read in a few places that HSB and crappies MAY be a "marriage made in heaven." It seems there is some data that, do to the pelagic nature of both small crappies and HSB, that HSB are very effective at controlling crappie populations in smaller BOWs which in the past were considered too small to maintain a crappie population without stunting. I don't have a dog in this fight but I found the data intriguing. Comments?


I added HSB to my big pond 3 and 4 years ago (2 stockings) for this very purpose. At that time (and now as well) I didn't have any overpopulation/stunting issues, but with all the negative comments around BCP and that possibility I was trying to manage proactively.

As of today I STILL have exactly zero issues specific to BCP. I catch them regularly and have never caught a stunted one. All the BCP I catch are healthy, thick specimens. I keep track of every fish removed from the pond, and last year (2016) we took 263 BCP out. They taste awesome, are loads of fun to catch and at least in my case are a phenomenal pond fish.

Back to the point, I don't know if the HSB were necessary and if so how much they helped. When I look in the shallows around the pond I see plenty of YOY and Y2 size BCP as well as BG, but not what I'd call an 'overabundance'. The rare times I catch a HSB they look good - not great but good. I also have a healthy population of LMB so I believe I'm covered in the top end predator arena.
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#462713 - 01/26/17 03:28 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Loc: N FL
dlowrance,
taking out over 250 adult BCP each year probably helps you stay ahead of the curve, I would think....
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#462714 - 01/26/17 03:48 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 01/23/12
Posts: 1926
Loc: N FL
Originally Posted By: Bill D.
Originally Posted By: MRHELLO
Any Crappie Updates?


It seems there is some data that, do to the pelagic nature of both small crappies and HSB, that HSB are very effective at controlling crappie populations in smaller BOWs which in the past were considered too small to maintain a crappie population without stunting. I don't have a dog in this fight but I found the data intriguing. Comments?


I wonder if the "Palagic Nature" of small BCP would help feed the tarpon in my pond., I feel the CNBG and tilapia hug the shallows. IF they had a more open water fish they might fatten up some. Do small BCP tend to swim more out in the open water than either TP or cnbg?

sorry if this is a hijack,

it still relates to controlling crappy, :-)
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#462715 - 01/26/17 04:02 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: RER]
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Registered: 01/09/12
Posts: 857
Loc: Central IL
Originally Posted By: BobbyRice
dlowrance,
taking out over 250 adult BCP each year probably helps you stay ahead of the curve, I would think....


Certainly true - The pond is around 7 acres with an average depth of 16'. So lots of room to roam. We don't fish very hard to take that many - that number was taken out in 11 days of fishing.
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#462736 - 01/26/17 08:01 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: RER]
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Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2479
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
Originally Posted By: BobbyRice
Originally Posted By: Bill D.
Originally Posted By: MRHELLO
Any Crappie Updates?


It seems there is some data that, do to the pelagic nature of both small crappies and HSB, that HSB are very effective at controlling crappie populations in smaller BOWs which in the past were considered too small to maintain a crappie population without stunting. I don't have a dog in this fight but I found the data intriguing. Comments?


I wonder if the "Palagic Nature" of small BCP would help feed the tarpon in my pond., I feel the CNBG and tilapia hug the shallows. IF they had a more open water fish they might fatten up some. Do small BCP tend to swim more out in the open water than either TP or cnbg?

sorry if this is a hijack,

it still relates to controlling crappy, :-)
Bobby my crappie are all over the pond, I catch them close to the surface in 15' water with no structure under them, so I know they like open water- at least in my puddle

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#462756 - 01/27/17 10:17 AM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Posts: 1926
Loc: N FL
I'm torn on trying to add some to see if they breed. I might be just making it even harder to get established recruitment from the gsh by having larger BCP..IM not sure which would provide more YOY to be munched on, BCP or GSH.
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#462796 - 01/27/17 09:51 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: RER]
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Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2479
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
Bobby I don't know if my crappie have spawne since the first spring when I first stocked them . I catch 8-9" ones but never see any small or large ones after 3 years. The ones I catch are thick looking but don't seem to grow much

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#462811 - 01/28/17 08:56 AM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 09/19/14
Posts: 2584
Loc: Harrison Co. Texas
Hay Pat

Any chance the crappie spawn was eaten by the other crappie or the lmb?
With little to no growth seen in the crappie caught, I would think low forage numbers, and if that is the case, I might suspect a crappie spawn might feed the existing fish in the pond for a short time. Your thoughts? Are u still building the house?


Edited by TGW1 (01/28/17 08:57 AM)
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#462814 - 01/28/17 09:17 AM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Posts: 525
Loc: TN, Lakeland
Pat, what's your aquatic plant status in your pond? Since crappie prefer spawning in weed cover depending on your density they may be void of spawning.
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#462822 - 01/28/17 11:59 AM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Snakebite]
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Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2479
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
The stockers spawned the first spring at 4-1/2" long cause late in the summer was catching 2-1/2" crappie. The parents got up to 12" that year then all I catch is 8-9" ones even now. They are not thin at all. Very little plant life at all. Now some weed of unknown variety.

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#462823 - 01/28/17 12:02 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 08/08/14
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Loc: Oakwood,Texas
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It's highly possible that they are being eaten by bass or catfish. See lots of activity in open water but not sure what it is

The house is prolly 80-90% complete. Staining trim is so much fun


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#485861 - 02/05/18 03:19 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2479
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
Update:
Moved in to house in may 2017, crappie still not overpopulated, catfish bout 5# now, group of shad young hanging out in middle getting hammered by something.

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#498705 - 11/14/18 07:16 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Hey Pat,

Any update on your BCP?
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#498707 - 11/14/18 07:59 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2479
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
Bill canít seem to catch any here lately. Water is very cloudy with a major bloom since mid summer. I havenít tried live bait , just jigs fished every way I know how. Last ones caught this summer were the usual 8Ē.

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#498716 - 11/15/18 07:54 AM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 09/12/14
Posts: 1099
Loc: Deep East Texas
Pat, I did a jar test on my pond. Only had 4-6 inch visibility. Thought it was algae bloom but after a week setting in the window seal of the house you can see the sand in the bottom of the jar and now I can see through the jar. I have more shoreline grass than I ever had but yet It is muddier than ever been!! Pond 10 inch low. Water temp yesterday morning at 8am was 53.8. I will check this morning at 8am again. Air temp right now is 27!!!
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#498724 - 11/15/18 10:01 AM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Flame]
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Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2479
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
James
I think mine is a bloom cause itís been that way for several months before we started getting any rain. Only have 6-8Ē more water to be at full pool . Have not seen any sign of a successful BCP spawn again this year and this is going on 5 years. With only one spawn. The LMB are looking fatter this year due to more forage. It surprises me that so little is known about BCP ( unreliable spawns or overwhelming ones)

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#498748 - 11/15/18 03:47 PM Re: BCP MANAGEMENT IDEAS [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Flame, I went through a similar situation last year. I asked Bill Cody for a water analysis and he came up with high numbers of detritus. But I had also added a microb to eat excess nutrients earlier in the year after returning from the PB Conference. This product had a green die also. And the water had a puki ugly green color, mistaking it for a bloom. I also discovered around that time that microbs can bloom or produce excess amounts of microbs. If I understood Bill Cody, it was hard sometimes to distinguish between microbs and detritus, so I never was sure what the actual problem was other than my water visibility sucked. So, what did I do? The pond was low all summer due to extreme drought and I figured if it was detritus the diffusers were kicking it up off the bottom. I reduced the run time and raised the diffusers 21" off bottom and that put the bubblier some 30" off bottom. I also treated the pond with alum/lime to reduce excess phosphates which I believed were high due to fertilization along with feeding. One or both of the changes I made cleared up the water to 36" for awhile and the water has been stable since with 24 to 26" olive green water. Hope this helps. Pat not sure u have diffusers but maybe water is high in phosphates.
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