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#483861 - 12/07/17 07:03 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 07/28/05
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Loc: Raymond, NE
I like the challenge of catching RES and the size potential of RES. I do think that a RES only pond makes figuring out how to catch them a little easier. Having SMB in the mix is a definite bonus.
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#483866 - 12/08/17 09:01 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 09/19/14
Posts: 2046
Loc: Harrison Co. Texas
Res are a challenge when trying to catch them at my place and when I do catch one it is always a small one. Makes me wonder if I overstocked my 3+ acre pond. My first stocking was 3 yrs ago in Nov and the second stocking as in Feb. Total stocked was 1850 in the 2 to 3" size with no predators in the pond at that time. I would think they would be in the 8" range by now.
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#483870 - 12/08/17 09:19 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: TGW1]
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Registered: 08/08/14
Posts: 2128
Loc: Oakwood,Texas
He he he Tracy they are a challenge everywhere from what I can see.
Red worm fished on a sandy area works most of the time more in 18"- 3' deep

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#483873 - 12/08/17 10:26 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: Pat Williamson]
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Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 4293
Loc: SE Kansas
I tend to agree with Shorty that having them in a pond by themselves tends to make catching them easier.

I have given a fair amount of thought to RES and why they are difficult to catch in the normal LMB/BG pond. Does not mean my thoughts are correct, just that I have given it consideration. grin

First just consider the sheer number differences. Say a person starts out with the normal 10-20% of RES stocked compared to BG. That already lowers the odds of catching one to one in 5 or 10. Then consider the difference in fecundity. We know BG produce lots more eggs and fry than RES. So it would be entirely possible that after four or five years the numbers of BG compared to RES in the pond might be 100 to 1 or greater. So everything else being equal (which it is not of course, but humor me) the odds favor catching a hundred BG for every single RES caught. Then add in the catch-ability factor that BG are more aggressive then drop a line and hook in an area where there are a hundred hungry BG and a lone RES competing for that bait.

Of course that is a simplified view of the situation as the fish may seek out different environments and an angler can take advantage of the differences in fish behavior.

But I think just looking at the potential differences in population between the number of RES vs BG in a pond makes it evident why so many people wonder where their RES went because they either never or rarely catch one.

I catch a hand full a year out of my main 3 acre pond but I catch hundreds and hundreds of BG. I suspect I may be catching the RES not too different than what their population ratio suggests the odds of catching them are.

Meanwhile I am trying to modify that population so that my odds of catching RES goes up.


Edited by snrub (12/08/17 10:30 AM)
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#483881 - 12/08/17 11:13 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 12/17/12
Posts: 315
Loc: Turkey
John when you look in the water do you also spot only 1 RES per 100 BG?


Edited by Fatih (12/08/17 11:21 AM)

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#483882 - 12/08/17 11:22 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: Fatih]
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Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 4293
Loc: SE Kansas
In my water most of the time I can not tell. It usually is pretty turbid from algae growth.

That said, I do occasionally see a fish that I can identify as a RES from the bright red opercular tab border. But that is rare to see one.

I do notice GSF or hybrids thereof compared to BG because of the tipping on the fins. They stand out in contrast enough when they are up in shallow water that they are pretty easy to differentiate. But get out to a couple feed depth and I usually can only see shadows of fish or nothing at all.
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#483909 - 12/08/17 03:48 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
Lovnlivin Offline


Registered: 05/18/12
Posts: 1491
Loc: Eagle, NE
Invite Shorty to fish your pond, they're attracted to his hook! smile

He brought over a very cool micro-jig system with just a small piece of plastic (cut from a plastic bait) threaded on the hook (there's a little more but I'll let him share the rest). I think by the time the jig settled on the bottom of the pond, he had a strike!

Don't ever think you know your pond better than anyone else when it comes to catching a "target" fish. I always felt if I wanted to know how big the fish were in my pond I just needed to invite someone else over to fish it.

Okay, that's a cop-out and they're likely just better at fishing than I, but it never failed that a guest would cast some crazy lure/bait out in the middle of nowhere and, BAM they'd hit a 4 lb LMB or HSB! lol

I sure miss that pond frown

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#483912 - 12/08/17 04:20 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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Registered: 10/19/14
Posts: 5364
Loc: Boone County Illinois
Originally Posted By: snrub
I tend to agree with Shorty that having them in a pond by themselves tends to make catching them easier.

I have given a fair amount of thought to RES and why they are difficult to catch in the normal LMB/BG pond. Does not mean my thoughts are correct, just that I have given it consideration. grin

First just consider the sheer number differences. Say a person starts out with the normal 10-20% of RES stocked compared to BG. That already lowers the odds of catching one to one in 5 or 10. Then consider the difference in fecundity. We know BG produce lots more eggs and fry than RES. So it would be entirely possible that after four or five years the numbers of BG compared to RES in the pond might be 100 to 1 or greater. So everything else being equal (which it is not of course, but humor me) the odds favor catching a hundred BG for every single RES caught. Then add in the catch-ability factor that BG are more aggressive then drop a line and hook in an area where there are a hundred hungry BG and a lone RES competing for that bait.

Of course that is a simplified view of the situation as the fish may seek out different environments and an angler can take advantage of the differences in fish behavior.

But I think just looking at the potential differences in population between the number of RES vs BG in a pond makes it evident why so many people wonder where their RES went because they either never or rarely catch one.

I catch a hand full a year out of my main 3 acre pond but I catch hundreds and hundreds of BG. I suspect I may be catching the RES not too different than what their population ratio suggests the odds of catching them are.

Meanwhile I am trying to modify that population so that my odds of catching RES goes up.


I think you're on to something here. I see the same thing with my PS. We rarely catch one. The catch rate is probably close to population ratio of BG to PS though.
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#483920 - 12/08/17 06:58 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: Lovnlivin]
snrub Offline


Registered: 10/05/13
Posts: 4293
Loc: SE Kansas
Lovnlivin I would be happy for Shorty to catch some RES in my pond. You too for that matter. I hope you both are able to make it to my PBF get together at my place September 22, 2018.

Since I just stocked my SMB in my RES pond, they should be of a size by then I would be able to transfer some of them (going to transfer up to 40) to my main pond (big enough so my LMB could not eat them - maybe 12" or more). So if anyone wants to fish for SMB and RES in this pond that day I could take advantage of it and do the transfers. Ponds are only a few hundred yards apart. There would be nothing very big by that time, but it might be fun just to see what could be caught.


Edited by snrub (12/08/17 07:04 PM)
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