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#48371 - 06/15/04 12:35 AM aquashade vs. cygnet
ilovefishingmark Offline
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Registered: 04/21/03
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Loc: mtn. home, arkansas
i have a 1 acre pond at my office, primary goal is just to look at it, has some fish in it, but fishing in it (don't hiss folks....it's just my business pond..not my home pond baby!!).... fishing in it is not the goal. i put out some aquashade in it..stuff works well and distributes nicely. but in my searches, i came across some stuff called cygnet select which is supposed to be just as good, but a little bit cheaper. any thoughts on this. i typed in cygnet on the search area of pond boss, but yeilded no results. also, has anyone ever used aquashade to see if moisture on the back side of a dam is from the pond or from spring runoff? thanks. mark

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#48372 - 06/15/04 07:23 AM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
ken Offline
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from my understanding Aquashade is the only EPA approved pond dye , so i guess you got pay for that. \:\)
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#48373 - 06/15/04 06:26 PM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
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Registered: 05/24/04
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Loc: Central Indiana
I have not used Cygnet, but I have used Aquashade and Crystal Blue (cheaper) both with good luck. The Auqashade seems to have a deeper color than the Crystal Blue, but the later is cheaper.

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#48374 - 06/15/04 08:39 PM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
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Evaluating the various lake dye brands by their cost-per-gallon is very misleading.

Besides the two EPA registered lake dyes (AQUASHADE and ADMIRAL), non of the other brands may legally make any algaecidal or herbicidal claims. Doing so would require them to register their products with the EPA as "pesticides".

Lake dyes, whether a liquid or toss-pack, contain vastly different amounts and blends of pigment. The non-registered lake dyes make only one claim ~ they'll "turn your pond blue". "How blue per-gallon, and at what total cost?" is the real question.

Interestingly, all of the non-registered lake dyes use the same recommended dosage-rate of 1 gallon per 4 acre-feet, even though their dye contents are considerably different (usually much less concentrated) that the EPA registered products.

Also, AQUASHADE and ADMIRAL contain acid-blue AND acid-yellow pigments; the later of which helps to absorb specific wavelengths of sunlight.
Most (virtually all) of the cheaper lake dyes contain only acid-blue, since it is a much cheaper component that acid-yellow.

Also, the cheaper lake dyes usually contain less, if not significantly less, acid-blue pigment than their registered counterparts.

Basically, it is important to understand that two seemingly comparable lake dyes may both be packaged in 1-gal. jugs and have the same "recommended dosage". However, it usually takes more of the cheaper version to accomplish the relative degree of coloration that is offered by the registered versions. The cost-effectiveness of a lake dye is usually better for the registered versions, even though they're more expensive.

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#48375 - 06/16/04 07:58 PM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
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Kelly provided all the basic facts about the lake/pond dyes. All else is basically ignoring the facts. Many other things may appear or seem to work or enhance like cosmetic make-up. Facts still remain the facts.
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#48376 - 06/16/04 11:20 PM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
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I don't want to market anything here, nor even encourage the use of a lake dye in fishing ponds (as I feel it is usually counterproductive for fish production). However, to emphasize my earlier point, lets compare TruBlue to "XYZ" brand (used by many lake management companies).

TruBlue is a "proprietary blend of acid blue 9 and acid yellow 23". TruBlue Label However, this "proprietary blend" has an unknown ratio of acid-blue to acid-yellow (with yellow being the more expensive of the two pigments). Also, TruBlue water-soluble packet has a net contents of 5.25 oz. of product.

"XYZ Lake Dye", which is also a blend of acid-blue and acid-yellow - and I can assure you it has a comparatively high level of acid-yellow - which is packaged in 8.28 oz. water-soluble packets, which our dealers "retail" for approximately $14 per packet (or less) - 4 packets per box, 4 boxes per case.

XYZ's 8.28 oz. packet has 57% more net contents than TruBlue's 5.25 oz. packet, yet XYZ's price is only 7.5% higher. So, it would seem rational to view XYZ as a better deal - which, in this particular case, I feel is correct. BUT, in reality, comparing packet-weights to price could also be misleading - since it is the pure dye content "per packet", relative to its cost, that really counts.

I get a little wordy sometimes - sorry 'bout that. But, I just want to emphasize that in the "smoke and mirrors" lake dye market, judging a product's cost by the price-per-gallon or price-per-packet is not a wise option. Slick marketers know that laymen will often follow that guideline. So, they dilute their product's concentration to reduce their input costs, but only cut their selling price just enough below the quality brands to lure in the gullible.

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#48377 - 06/16/04 11:33 PM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
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I have never used anything other than Aquashade and am quite happy with it. I have found the axiom "you get what you pay for" usually applies. However I only use it in a temporary holding pond where I intensively feed fish and am not concerned with natural food production. It really helps keep the macrophytes down considerably. I would use it in my main pond where I feed feed trained bass, perch, and bluegills but it is flow through and I understand it is illegal to allow this dye to run into other areas of a watershed. I'm sure it would give false reading to spectrometer type water quality testing devices.

Good information Kelly. How about some imput on pond bacterias? If you are as well versed on that as the dyes I would like to hear it.
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#48378 - 06/17/04 10:26 PM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
ilovefishingmark Offline
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Registered: 04/21/03
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Loc: mtn. home, arkansas
thanks everyone.. kellye, i agree, my home pond i manage for fish, actually just fertilized again today. but my work pond is just for looks...so that is why i use the dye. o.k kellye, cut to the chase....if you were me, what kind of dye would you use, and where would you get it!!!???!!! i've got some pond pics if anyone is interested. i fertilized today, and plan to take more pics once i get a bloom. ilovefishingmark@yahoo.com thanks mark

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#48379 - 06/17/04 11:36 PM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
Kelly Duffie Offline
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Nice pictures of your place! Be proud - and thankful.

As for lake dyes: you can't go wrong with AQUASHADE or ADMIRAL, and even some of the non-registered lake dyes. I would generally avoid the cheap ones, unless you make the effort to assure their dye content. But, is that effort really worth it?

Source: you have a good aquaculture supplier right in your state. I don't do promotions here, so email me if you need the name.

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#48380 - 06/19/04 05:42 AM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
ken Offline
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aquashade has the only EPA ruling as a aquatic plant growth. admiral is EPA approved , only as a food dye coloring. \:\)
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#48381 - 06/27/04 02:28 PM Re: aquashade vs. cygnet
Kelly Duffie Offline
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Ken - ADMIRAL is ALSO registered with the EPA for weed and algae control > ADMIRAL label

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