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#459356 - 11/21/16 03:51 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: highflyer]
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Loc: SE Kansas
It is a watershed pond Brian. It should stay full as well as any of my other ponds.

I actually built two terraces to direct water into the pond, but it was not really needed. It would have filled adequately without them, but it does provide some additional watershed as well as protect that corner of the field that I was having some minor issues with erosion anyway. So a win win. Probably about 12-15 acre watershed that will run into it.

I think it will be about an acre and a quarter. Maybe an acre and a half at most. 9 ft. max depth but lots of underwater humps but little additional shallow water. I would guess average depth of 5' with all the humps taken out. Probably six had I not put the humps in.

Not enough capacity to do much as far as irrigation. For irrigation the ponds are made very deep and shaped like a bath tub. No intentions other than enjoying it.

Thanks.
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#459377 - 11/22/16 12:29 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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View of one of the two terraces leading into the pond.


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#459400 - 11/22/16 12:59 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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Thoughts on adding crawfish, grass shrimp and scuds to widen your food base for your RES.
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#459404 - 11/22/16 01:57 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: Snakebite]
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Good ideas.

But no, I had not thought that far ahead yet.

It is late enough this year and looks like colder temperatures will finally be arriving so I figured it would be next spring before I introduced anything. Just some puddles in the bottom so far from an earlier rain.
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#459408 - 11/22/16 03:58 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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You could stock a few snails in the puddle now. grin
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#459409 - 11/22/16 04:00 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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I think in Snrub's location, near a natural stream watershed, that crawfish, snails, etc, will stock themselves over time.
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#459431 - 11/23/16 12:17 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: Shorty]
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Originally Posted By: Shorty
You could stock a few snails in the puddle now. grin


Shorty I seriously considered getting a strand of water primrose out of my sediment pond and put it in. It would likely have snails or eggs on it.

Since I had the fish kill in it from the chicken litter runoff, the primrose has turned a dark green/reddish healthy look to it like I have never seen it in other ponds. It really likes those nutrients. And snails galore. The RES I restocked should be well fed for a while. I think if I took some primrose from this pond and put it in the new one, the biological process would definitely start.

I actually did put snails and algae from my main pond into my forage pond which has RES only when it was new.

A person has to be a die hard RES fan to stock snails. grin
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#466721 - 03/14/17 09:50 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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Loc: SE Kansas
Some pictures of the pond as it is filling. Figured it would be full by now, but we have had a very dry winter. That is not all bad. I may have time to get a fish structure or two built and installed before it fills completely.

This level of fill really shows how I put a LOT of earthen structure features in the pond. Also shows some of the rock/gravel beds I added around the edge.

As soon as it warms after this cold spell and I get an algae bloom going, will trap some FHM out of my sediment pond and add to this pond to get the food chain going.

The guys got it limed while I was gone. Will try to get some temporary cover started on the ground as soon as possible. Then probably try to plant permanent grass this fall.

Guessing it has about 4' more to go to full pool. You can see the overflow pipe in some of the pictures.


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Description: Looking SE towards the dam and overflow pipe.

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Description: Looking straight east toward the dam

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Description: Looking SW at the west half of the pond

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Description: Looking S SE along the dam. Note fish highways extending out from the dam into the pond

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Description: If you look closely you will see lime covering the ground as we got it limed




Edited by snrub (03/14/17 09:54 PM)
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#470477 - 04/26/17 05:33 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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With these pictures pond is about 18" below full pool.

Caught 5 RES 3" to 6" size out of my forage pond and put them in this pond. Then trapped 5 more 2-3" and also added them. The pond does not have much of an algae bloom yet so hope the fish do not starve. My intention is to get a couple hundred RES from the fish truck along with a few pounds of FHM but it will not be around for another month. I'll put a few I catch of my own in the mean time. Hopefully get a couple different age/size classes going at once that way.

Put about 5# of 13-13-13 fertilizer to aid in getting a bloom. Last fall I had put several scoops of cow manure compost in the empty pond basin for the same purpose. Pond was previously limed.

A few update pictures with descriptions.

Edit: raining now, likely next pictures posted will be at full pool.


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Description: One of the RES added to this RES specific pond

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Description: Getting close to full. Estimate 18" below the 8" overflow tube

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Description: 18" below full pool




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#470801 - 04/29/17 10:38 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish [Re: snrub]
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Pictures of pond at full pool from a couple days ago. Raining cats and dogs right now and overflow and emergency overflow flowing water. Small creek flooding so hope I do not get GSF or BG either from the creek (swimming up the overflow pipe) or adjacent old refurbished pond (by water backing up into field and fish swimming around from pond to pond).

Also added clumps of FA and water primrose that were infested with snails to get a snail population started in this pond for the RES. I put crushed limestone around the pond for spawning substrate and also as good substrate for algae and snail growth.

You gotta be a dedicated RES lover to inoculate a pond with snails......on purpose.


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Description: full pool.......finally!

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#473063 - 05/31/17 04:13 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: snrub]
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Yesterday was Dunn's route day and I had fish ordered for this pond. Cool drizzly day so good for the half hour ride home for the fish.

Stocked 200 2' RES and 2# of FHM Tuesday.

Also Monday I had caught 2 more larger RES from my forage pond and transferred them to this pond. That brings the number of advanced size RES to 12 in this pond.

So the pond is stocked with all all I intend for the time being. In a couple years if the RES get to numerous and chance stunting I will put either a few HSB or SMB or maybe some of both to control recruitment.

The pond is still muddy and so it does not have the algae bloom I would have liked to see. Hope there is enough food for the RES in there. I will throw out a small amount of Optimal JR and/or AM400 each day for the FHM and just in case any of the RES take to it.


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Description: Hand full of fingerling RES stocked in this pond.

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Description: Picture of individual fingerling RES

IMGA2205.JPG (142 downloads)
Description: One of two RES caught from Forage pond and added to this RES pond




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#473137 - 06/01/17 12:33 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: snrub]
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I'm trying to figure out how to handle my terrace needs. When my pond was built they put in a terrace that catches about 25 acres of watershed for my 2 acre pond. The terrace is about 600 yards long and the pond filled very quickly! I cut a ditch in the terrace about 100 yards from the pond due to heavy rain events, and pond has been able to stay full with watershed reduced to about 5 acres. In my area evaporation and rainfall are about equal, but averaging a little more rain than evap. 44" evaporation to 47"rainfall.

How are you going to deal with you terrace now that it is full?


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#473147 - 06/01/17 02:56 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: BrianL]
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Loc: SE Kansas
I have not done anything. I have only about 15 acres maybe (have never took the time to measure it) for 3+ acres of ponds.

I was not planning on doing anything but thinking of your situation and how to solve it, if got me to thinking of mine.

What you could do (and I could also) is put a culvert through your terrace at some strategic point (I could dump mine into another terrace that I built recently that goes south to the creek). Then in normal times just cap the culvert or have a welding shop make a metal slide valve and leave it shut. If the pond was at full pool and large rains were being predicted, a person could open the slide gate and let the water bypass the pond. If it were in an accessible location, a person could even regulate the flow during or in the middle of a rain event. Pond full, go open the gate.

Normally I want all the water I can get as I want some flow through during the spring after a dry summer or fall to get rid of some excess nutrients. But once in a while like now there has already been plenty of flow through, the ponds are full, and do not need any additional water. So the gated culvert through the terrace would divert flow.

A person could even put the culvert 6" or a foot off the bottom of the terrace so some of the water would still flow to the pond but excessively hard rains that had the terrace running fuller could bypass some of the water.

Just an idea. Doubt if I do it, but I think something like that would work for ponds with excessive watershed.


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#473149 - 06/01/17 03:15 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: snrub]
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This also made me think of a neighbor farmer that has a couple fields that are parallel terraced.

Parallel terraces can be used in fields that the slope is such that the terraces "almost" run in a parallel. The advantage of farming parallel is that all farming practices can be farmed with the terraces (like contour farming) without the hassle of point rows like contour farming. By not farming across terraces they last a lot longer....... but I digress.

The reason they are important to this discussion is that rarely do parallel terraces end up draining perfectly to the end of the field. To rectify this, pipes are buried in strategic locations to carry the low point of one terrace to the next down slope terrace. These are essentially underground culverts that have risers (and trash shields similar to trash risers built for pond overflow pipes) that the water drains out of the bottom of the terrace and discharge to where ever the water is desired to go.

A person could do this with a terrace going into a pond. It might not drain all the water in a big rain event, but a riser in the bottom of a terrace that could be capped (or slide gate) then under ground drainage to take the water down hill to an exit point. You can do a search for parallel field terraces for some pictures of the risers and construction.
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#477392 - 08/01/17 02:31 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: snrub]
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Loc: SE Kansas
Originally Posted By: snrub
Yesterday was Dunn's route day and I had fish ordered for this pond. Cool drizzly day so good for the half hour ride home for the fish.

Stocked 200 2' RES and 2# of FHM Tuesday.

Also Monday I had caught 2 more larger RES from my forage pond and transferred them to this pond. That brings the number of advanced size RES to 12 in this pond.

So the pond is stocked with all all I intend for the time being. In a couple years if the RES get to numerous and chance stunting I will put either a few HSB or SMB or maybe some of both to control recruitment.

The pond is still muddy and so it does not have the algae bloom I would have liked to see. Hope there is enough food for the RES in there. I will throw out a small amount of Optimal JR and/or AM400 each day for the FHM and just in case any of the RES take to it.


Update: Have been feeding a small amount of feed for the last couple months mostly for the FHM but hopefully at least a few of the RES get the idea and eat. Thousands and thousands of FHM fry from half inch long to about an inch long attack the pellets all around the shoreline. So the FHM are doing fine.

May take a very small jig and try to catch a few of the RES fingerlings that were stocked and see how big they are getting.


Edited by snrub (08/01/17 02:32 AM)
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#477399 - 08/01/17 09:11 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: snrub]
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Glad to see you update. I'm holding off till September to fish my pond. The Catfish keep my pond stirred up so all we can see is them. They are fat and happy though. That's not to say the whole pond is muddy, just where we stand to feed.

I do know I've have Sunfish offspring cause Wife has seen small ones on occasion. My pond is dropping and by the end of August, it will be about where it was when we stocked it. That is unless we see some rain.
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#477463 - 08/02/17 09:35 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: snrub]
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Just an update on my RES/SMB at the year 3 mark.... my RES have reached 1.5 lb and SMB (which haven't been in 2 yrs yet) are at 120-130 relative weight. I love it. I don't anticipate any over recruitment that I need to deal with in the coming years. Shorty has fished it, and I've sought his advice on occasion, and as far as I can tell he doesn't foresee any issues either.
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#477466 - 08/02/17 10:02 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: snrub]
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That's some serious growth. Congrats
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#477478 - 08/02/17 11:31 AM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: Dave Davidson1]
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I'm a big believer in what Optimal has done for my pond. I also stocked the heck out of FHM a year before stocking RES and I still have clouds of them. Year one I stocked FHM, year two I stocked RES and year three I stocked SMB. So far I can't complain at all, but all ponds seem to do great their first 5-8 years. So we will see how long it can continue.

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#482097 - 11/02/17 10:10 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: NEDOC]
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[quote NEDOC]Just an update on my RES/SMB at the year 3 mark.... my RES have reached 1.5 lb and SMB (which haven't been in 2 yrs yet) are at 120-130 relative weight. I love it. I don't anticipate any over recruitment that I need to deal with in the coming years. Shorty has fished it, and I've sought his advice on occasion, and as far as I can tell he doesn't foresee any issues either. [/quote]

That sounds like a great mix. When Bob Lusk was here he suggested I get some SMB and put in this RES pond. He suggested getting them ordered a year ahead as sometimes they are hard to come by.

Wow! Pound and a half RES. That is really something.

I finally got around to seeding my dam on this pond. Been kind of dragging my feet. Lazy I guess. smile

I've fished this pond several times with nary a bite. Nothing. I hope I have some RES in there. I have found 4 abandoned nests, so I either have some fish in there or maybe alien circles instead. crazy The picture of the RES is from my main pond, but I would think my spring stocked fingerlings should be that size by now. Sure wish I could catch a few just to see how they are doing.


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Description: working in fescue seed

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Description: small pasture harrow for my little tractor

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Description: Small RES from my main pond


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#482457 - 11/10/17 09:21 PM Re: A pond dedicated to Redear Sunfish - stocking [Re: snrub]
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I originally was not going to put rock lining around the bank in this pond. But it was already starting to get a little bench around the water edge from wave erosion so I thought, what the heck, just as well.

should help limit turbidity and bank erosion

Descriptions on pictures.


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Description: Putting the rock down

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Description: Around 2/3 of the pond total

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Description: size rock used

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Description: final spreading smoothing with garden rake

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Description: shallow inlet side of pond not needed because of yellow primrose protects bank

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#482637 - 11/13/17 07:55 PM Recruitment success! [Re: snrub]
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I had seen 4 nests around the circumference of this pond, likely from the first ten adult RES I stocked this spring. The 200 small fingerlings additionally stocked likely would not have been big enough to have spawned yet and the other two adults I put in likely after spawn was over.

But till today I had no knowledge of recruitment.

I was catching 3" fingerlings out of my forage pond with a cast net to bring down to this pond for additional stocking. Caught 71 fingerlings in about ten throws of the net. The first pictures are of these RES that I put in this RES pond from my forage pond.

Then it dawned on me (I'm a little slow at times) after releasing them into the pond. If I can catch RES fingerlings in my forage pond with the cast net, maybe I can see if I can catch anything in this RES pond. So I gave it a try. Well at least one pair must have had success because out of four throws of the net in the shallow west end of the pond I got three 2" RES. I know they were not any of the ones I had just released because they were in a different part of the pond and the ones I got were smaller than any I had transferred from the forage pond.

So eureka! It was a good RES day. Not only do I have good fingerling production from my forage pond, but I also got at least some reproduction from the small number of adult RES I had put in this RES only pond. This should give me four distinct age/size classes of RES in this pond. Success.

Now I'm thinking I should get some SMB ordered for next year to put in here.


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Description: 71 3"+ RES caught by cast net from my forage pond

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Description: close up of the RES from my forage pond transferred and stocked into RES pond

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Description: One of the recruitment's caught from my RES pond

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Description: recruitment from RES pond


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#482671 - 11/14/17 12:11 PM Re: Recruitment success! [Re: snrub]
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I'm Pumped!

Called Hartley's Fish Farm in Kingman, Kansas to see if they would have any SMB available next year. Thought I would inquire and see what it would take to get some next spring. It so happens they have some now and they will be having a delivery truck coming my direction after Thanksgiving.

So my RES only pond is going to become a RES/SMB pond sometime after Thanksgiving. grin

Exciting times.
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#482672 - 11/14/17 12:27 PM Re: Recruitment success! [Re: snrub]
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#482674 - 11/14/17 02:46 PM Re: Recruitment success! [Re: snrub]
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That is awesome!! I'm looking forward to the updates!

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Originally Posted By: snrub
So my RES only pond is going to become a RES/SMB pond sometime after Thanksgiving. grin
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