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#411590 - 05/16/15 10:24 PM On Mutt Pond
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Registered: 10/19/14
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Those of you that know me some from here at the forum also know I did a lot of my fish stocking before I found PBF. I now have what I call "On Mutt Pond." So what is the downside, other than hybrids, of dropping one male GSF in a pond with BG and PS? I am not going for some record of some pure species, just playing around with "what if." I also have one LMB in with six SMB. My puddle is small, what the heck, I can always easily start over.

This thread is for those PBF readers/members that aren't looking for a trophy this or a trophy that pond. Just good fishing on a Sunday afternoon with friends or family and, if ya get lucky, a fish fry at the end of the day.

Enjoy the time, life is not forever. Watching a little guy catch their first fish is your reward!

For you kindred spirits just looking for a good place to fish, I do not expect a lot of replies to this thread as it really doesn't fit the norm but, I will do my best to coax opinions out of some of the pros along the way. I hope you enjoy the view from Mutt Pond!

Happy fishing!

Bill D.


Edited by Bill D. (10/03/15 09:47 PM)
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#411591 - 05/16/15 10:30 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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I should also add I have stocked one warmouth, one WE, 56 YP and 16 CC.

I should also add, the deed is done done. The one male GSF is in there.

Oh yeah, I think there is a female HBG in there too! smile


Edited by Bill D. (05/16/15 10:33 PM)
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#411593 - 05/16/15 10:35 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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You know I think that is cool.... I might add me some warmouth also but not just one.. A mess of em... Like you said a mutt pond

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#411596 - 05/16/15 10:43 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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Thanks for the support Buddy. I am thinking how much fun it will be to post a pic of a SF in a few years here on the forum with the question...."What is this?" grin grin
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#411599 - 05/16/15 10:47 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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Green eyed purple thingy... It's fun and that's what matters

Boy that will stir them up!


Edited by Pat Williamson (05/16/15 10:48 PM)

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#411620 - 05/17/15 07:18 AM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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Big mistake Bill. Dropping that GSF in is about like dropping a pit bull into a pen full of poodles. The weenie fish will be hiding under stuff and in the shallows.
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#411627 - 05/17/15 08:38 AM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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Might make some interesting and aggressive puppies though... smile
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#411629 - 05/17/15 08:54 AM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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Bill, I found out I had GSF after I stocked my BG. It looks to me that I now have some HBG. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out in the next 10 years. Some of them are getting pretty big, at least for what I have ever personally seen/caught. I don't think I have ever seen a BG, in this area, over 8" (pretty sad!). Can't wait till I hit that mark. I'm close.

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#411632 - 05/17/15 09:22 AM Re: One GSF [Re: fish n chips]
Bill D. Offline


Registered: 10/19/14
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Originally Posted By: fish
.... I don't think I have ever seen a BG, in this area, over 8" (pretty sad!)....


Same in my area. The local public BOWs are fished so hard, a 7 inch BG is a monster. One lake has a bag limit of 6 for BG. Another put a size limit of no smaller than 8 inches a few years back. I asked the ranger if a lot of folks catch 8 inch ones to keep and he said he hadn't seen one yet.

I am also hoping to have a few 8s in my puddle by the end of the summer. I caught a couple 7s a few weeks ago.


Edited by Bill D. (05/17/15 09:28 AM)
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#411633 - 05/17/15 09:30 AM Re: One GSF [Re: Dave Davidson1]
Bill D. Offline


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Originally Posted By: Dave Davidson1
Big mistake Bill. Dropping that GSF in is about like dropping a pit bull into a pen full of poodles. The weenie fish will be hiding under stuff and in the shallows.


Thanks Dave,

I have offically named him Bad Bad Leroy Brown baddest fish in the whole dang pond! grin
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#411705 - 05/17/15 09:10 PM On Mutt Pond [Re: Bill D.]
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Registered: 10/19/14
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
To my PBF friends,

I have changed (to the best of my ability)the name of this thread to "On Mutt Pond." I have been needing a thread to share info on my experiment/project so this seems a likely place. Look for updates on how it is going if you have interest. The goal of the pond is simply a place to have good fishing and catch an occasional mess for a fish fry and learn and share what I can in the process.

Note to a mod: If I didn't do the name change thing right, please help.

Bill D.

Oh yeah, Welcome to Mutt Pond!
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#411709 - 05/17/15 09:30 PM Re: On Mutt Pond [Re: Bill D.]
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Mutts Inc. It is as most of us are anyway.

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#411717 - 05/17/15 09:46 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Pat Williamson]
Bill D. Offline


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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Originally Posted By: Pat Williamson
Green eyed purple thingy...


Pat,

Please send me a pic of one of these. Would be a great Logo for the new On Mutt Pond Inc!

Ah, never mind, I am thinking I will have some purpled eye green thingy in a year or two to take a pic of anyway which should work just as well!
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#411720 - 05/17/15 09:56 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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On Mutt Pond sounds like a nice place to this ol dog.
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#411721 - 05/17/15 10:09 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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You are welcome here on Mutt Pond anytime my friend. Still hoping we can get together this summer and great to see you posting again!
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#411833 - 05/18/15 05:31 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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Bill it sounds like you and I have similar goals in mind...someplace to go and throw a line in, with little or no idea what you may pull out.

And I'll admit it again - I personally like the GSF...he's a ton of fun to catch and at certain times of the year will bite dang near anything.

Also worth pointing out for those that say the GSF doesn't get big enough to mess with that the state record GSF for IL is over 2 lbs...

https://www.landbigfish.com/staterecords/fishrecords.cfm?ID=40


Edited by dlowrance (05/18/15 05:33 PM)
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#411835 - 05/18/15 05:50 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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Love the title Bill! The description fits my ponds to a T.

As a matter of fact, I think, if most of the fish swimming in my ponds had family trees, they wouldn't be a trees at all. More like giant lilac bushes!

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#411847 - 05/18/15 07:11 PM Re: One GSF [Re: Bill D.]
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I like it, Bill....my pond resembles that handle...
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#411850 - 05/18/15 07:49 PM On Mutt Pond [Re: dlowrance]
Bill D. Offline


Registered: 10/19/14
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Originally Posted By: dlowrance
Bill it sounds like you and I have similar goals in mind...someplace to go and throw a line in, with little or no idea what you may pull out.....


I think that sums my goal up perfectly. Maybe that's why I have always enjoyed fishing rivers and streams so much. That unknown factor. IMO The perfect fish fry consists of "whatever ya happened to catch that day" and great folks around ya to share it with! smile

Thanks for the support guys! I will back fill some of the history of the project, as time permits, for any folks that might be interested.

Life is good On Mutt Pond! smile

Bill D.


Edited by Bill D. (10/05/15 09:01 PM)
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#411858 - 05/18/15 08:27 PM Re: On Mutt Pond [Re: Bill D.]
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I think having a goal, and a plan on how to achieve it, are the primary considerations. The goal itself need not be complicated or convoluted, a simple direction will often suffice.

I say go for it, and keep us in the loop.
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#411998 - 05/19/15 06:07 PM Re: One GSF [Re: dlowrance]
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Hey DL, glad to see another GSF fan. I clicked on the link and figure I may have beaten the Texas record. However, those are usually from public waters.
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Without a sense of urgency, Nothing ever gets done.

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#412021 - 05/19/15 08:59 PM Re: On Mutt Pond [Re: Bill D.]
Bill D. Offline


Registered: 10/19/14
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Guys,

Need some inputs. Mutt Pond is a water table pond. I can currently control the level with the well in times like now where the rain just keeps passing us by. I have a contractor coming next week to deepen and expand the pond. The question, do I minimize the size of the pond and maximize the depth to assure I can still control the level with the well? If say I double the pond size, I suspect the well will not be able to control the level. My current thinking is a small expansion but go for depth. Thoughts please!! confused

Thanks,

Bill

Pond is about a 1/4 to 1/3 acre at "normal" controlled pool.


Edited by Bill D. (05/19/15 09:10 PM)
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#412024 - 05/19/15 09:16 PM Re: On Mutt Pond [Re: Bill D.]
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Loc: Boone County Illinois
More info.

I have a constant pressure variable speed well pump. 1.5 HP pump in a 5 inch casing. Normal operating pressure is 70 psig. When I open the 2 inch pipe to the pond the pressure drops to 60 psig so I know the pump is running at max speed when I do that.


Edited by Bill D. (05/19/15 09:29 PM)
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#412044 - 05/19/15 11:34 PM Re: On Mutt Pond [Re: Bill D.]
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Originally Posted By: Bill D.
Guys,

Need some inputs. Mutt Pond is a water table pond. I can currently control the level with the well in times like now where the rain just keeps passing us by. I have a contractor coming next week to deepen and expand the pond. The question, do I minimize the size of the pond and maximize the depth to assure I can still control the level with the well? If say I double the pond size, I suspect the well will not be able to control the level. My current thinking is a small expansion but go for depth. Thoughts please!! confused

Thanks,

Bill

Pond is about a 1/4 to 1/3 acre at "normal" controlled pool.


If it's a ground water dug out pond and it is too low in times of a lower water table, I would go for more depth.

When you fill it with the pump how long does it take to lose the added water once you shut off the pump?

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#412061 - 05/20/15 08:14 AM Re: On Mutt Pond [Re: mnfish]
Bill D. Offline


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Loc: Boone County Illinois
Originally Posted By: mnfish
If it's a ground water dug out pond and it is too low in times of a lower water table, I would go for more depth.

When you fill it with the pump how long does it take to lose the added water once you shut off the pump?


Thanks for the reply,

I'll answer your question this way, I can run the pump 24 hours or so per week (around 50,000 gallons) and hold level within an approximate 6 inch band that I call normal pool. If I try to raise the normal pool level I want to maintain, the pump would need to run longer (more $$s).
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