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#324580 - 03/07/13 05:00 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: dale k]
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Registered: 05/14/11
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Loc: Central Kansas
Originally Posted By: dale k
Sorry Okie Bob.
I have been a mag. subscriber for a year or so just never got on the forum. or would have tried to help out. I have been fighting a pipeline going accross my place for a while now.(seaway pipeline) Not against pipelines these guys just want to run rough shod over me. Been in the oilfield 32 years. Not the way to do buisiness. I am around Tishomingo in south east Ok.
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#324587 - 03/07/13 06:22 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 02/18/13
Posts: 89
Loc: Oklahoma
Not sure. Its a long story , guy comes by the house says he is with seaway pipeline. Wants to know about crossing my land , just cutting accross the corner. I told him really wasn't interested I was planning on retireing out ther and he could just go around my place as he is just cutting accross the corner. First he ask your not even going to let me survey? I said don't see any reason as I don't want the pipe line. He answered , well you know by Oklahoma law I don't need your permission to survey. I answer well I tell you what old buddy I catch you out there you will need the Oklahoma law. He finishes up by telling me his boss will probably want to talk to me. I said no problem I gave him my cell, home phone , wifes phone. Don't hear anything I figure its a done deal they are going around. Next thing I know I am being sued he also says I threatened him. I don't think I did , I am a friendly guy I had also told him I owned two other pieces of land and wouldn't have a problem with a pipe line on those places. They have tried scare tactics suing me for there lawyer fees etc. When I hired a lawyer they left cards on my door with lets talk. Yea right. I know I probably won't win but We are going to court. Sorry about the rant guys but I am in the field and |I can't tell you how many mad landowners I have delt with. If you own mineral rights you can get rich if they hit a well. I would probably sell water if I had a big pond. But just put up a sign witha open to the public on it. Same thing.
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#324597 - 03/07/13 07:26 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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I don't have mineral rights. However, the pipeline(gathering line) is going to stop about 500 ft from my gate. They say that my land is too rocky to drill on. Not sure I believe that. Not sure I believe anything.
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#324600 - 03/07/13 07:36 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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I'm just now seeing this thread. I was hit up to sell water for oil wells a few years ago. Sounded fairly lucrative. I even considered buying a bunch of pipe to pipe water from pond to road. Eventually fizzled out and I didn't do anything. I think they bought a few truckloads of water from someone else. Don't remember what they were offering. My pond is big enough and normally refills fast enough that probably wouldn't have had to worry about adverse consequences to fish too much; but...
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#324612 - 03/07/13 08:29 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: esshup]
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Call Steve and see if you can sell it. What the heck, a phone call wouldn't hurt. wink


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#324615 - 03/07/13 08:49 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Yeah Cecil, I think it's strong enough.
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#324616 - 03/07/13 08:56 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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I emailed to the address given and it bounced back. I see they may be fracking two or three counties down in Wells County.

On another note do you have your mineral rights? My dad says someone came through in the early 20th century and bought them all up for most of us.
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#324642 - 03/08/13 01:25 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Cecil Baird1]
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Cecil, I honestly don't know about my mineral rights.

Try this e-mail:

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#324651 - 03/08/13 08:54 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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We have three pipelines crossing our ranch property and don't even know they are there except when they mow ROWs.
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#324925 - 03/10/13 05:17 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: george1]
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Registered: 03/22/11
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Loc: Oklahoma
Yeah, I guess I messed up big time on selling water for fracking. Number 1, I didn't get squat for the water. Number 2, my pond bank now look like the grand canyon which means my pond is really silting in, big time. Number 3, We've been in drought conditions for going on 3 years now........ What I've learned? Water is more valuable in central Oklahoma where average annual rainfall is around 36-38 inches, versus the South where 51-60+ inches is normal. Heck, I made more money off of the "mud farming" then I did off the water! If'n you don't know, that rock, soil, etc. that they drill out of the ground has to go somewhere. Well, they spread that stuff all over my property.......It's still there and not breaking down much. I was told it was real rich nutrients and that I'd notice greener grass, etc. Not so much! I'll have my dozer operator plow it in with the rest of the dirt. Then we'll see. This whole thing has been a learning experience for me. Since no one on this forum has been through what I've been through, I'll keep you all up to date as to what to expect if ever confronted by oil companies or drilling operators who need your water. wink


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#324927 - 03/10/13 06:07 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: esshup]
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Originally Posted By: esshup
Cecil, I honestly don't know about my mineral rights.

Try this e-mail:

fender@clover.net



That's another water broker?
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#469306 - 04/11/17 02:56 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 04/11/17
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Loc: Harmon, Oklahoma
I know this is an old forum but does anyone know how I find an oil company/fracking company or anyone nearby in Oklahoma to buy water from me? Thanks

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#469307 - 04/11/17 03:25 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 09/19/14
Posts: 2009
Loc: Harrison Co. Texas
Oil and gas was on the upswing in Oklahoma during the time of this thread. Since then, due to many factors one of which was the Saudi's flooding the market with oil to eliminate the US Oil Companies. They pretty much got that done through bankruptcies of US Oil Co.'s and eliminating 100's of thousands of jobs here in the US. Look at what the Saudi's did this week, they are strong in oil production. And we in the industry also hurt ourselves through developing shale production for Natural gas. We over produce gas today, thinking was at the time we would be using more natural gas for such things as cars and trucks. Clean burning, less wear and tear on engines etc.

Is there any drilling going on in the area where you are located? If so you might contact the oil co.'s and let them know who you are and location, but today in this market I would not expect to sell much water if any. And the price would be bottom dollar price for the water. I don't see things changing much until the oil and gas market has pricing stability and an increase in prices with oil and natural gas. An exception might be in the Permian Basin located in West Texas, where drilling and production cost are lower than the norm.
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#469332 - 04/11/17 07:54 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Turkey Creek]
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Registered: 05/14/11
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Loc: Central Kansas
Originally Posted By: Turkey Creek
I know this is an old forum but does anyone know how I find an oil company/fracking company or anyone nearby in Oklahoma to buy water from me? Thanks


1. You need drilling activity in your area. Usually they contact landowners who are either close to the rig for drilling or have enough water to frack.

2. It takes anywhere from 500,000 to 750,000 barrels of water to frack a well. Most smaller pond owners don't have that much.

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#469333 - 04/11/17 07:57 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: TGW1]
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Registered: 05/14/11
Posts: 1399
Loc: Central Kansas
Originally Posted By: TGW1
Oil and gas was on the upswing in Oklahoma during the time of this thread. Since then, due to many factors one of which was the Saudi's flooding the market with oil to eliminate the US Oil Companies. They pretty much got that done through bankruptcies of US Oil Co.'s and eliminating 100's of thousands of jobs here in the US. Look at what the Saudi's did this week, they are strong in oil production. And we in the industry also hurt ourselves through developing shale production for Natural gas. We over produce gas today, thinking was at the time we would be using more natural gas for such things as cars and trucks. Clean burning, less wear and tear on engines etc.

Is there any drilling going on in the area where you are located? If so you might contact the oil co.'s and let them know who you are and location, but today in this market I would not expect to sell much water if any. And the price would be bottom dollar price for the water. I don't see things changing much until the oil and gas market has pricing stability and an increase in prices with oil and natural gas. An exception might be in the Permian Basin located in West Texas, where drilling and production cost are lower than the norm.


There is a bunch of activity going on Central Oklahoma around the SCOOP and STACK plays. There are still several opportunities to sell around these drilling operations. I can't speak for Western Oklahoma as I haven't been out there lately.

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#469348 - 04/11/17 09:21 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 01/10/15
Posts: 591
Loc: Texas
I just saw this thread and didn't notice the date. The rates mentioned above for water are very dated. Water is practically gold now and its taking ~ 1M barrels to frac a horizontal here. I can't imagine how desperate they must have been to solicit people for their pond water. Oil companies usually drill their own water wells, pump their own water, dig and line their own water holding ponds and bury the production mud.

If anyone else gets in a situation like this please consult a good O&G attorney. We pay ours a pretty penny but he has paid for himself many, many, many times over. Not enough "many's".....he has been priceless.

Land men and oil companies know you as an individual know nothing about damage payments for things like water, flow line, buried pipeline, overhead electric lines, roads/cliche, pad sites, up-charges for multiple wells on a pad, tank batteries, frac water pits, SWD injection wells, etc, etc. And that is just surface damages. If you own minerals......

Here is a link with some suggested damage rates. FWIW, we get close to double this amount for our water.

http://www.utlands.utsystem.edu/forms/pdfs/Rate_Damage_Schedule.pdf
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#469362 - 04/12/17 07:38 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 09/19/14
Posts: 2009
Loc: Harrison Co. Texas
Lance, thank you for your information, hit the nail on the head. like you said most Co.'s will drill a water well, build lined water pits and lay lines for water fracs, but I have been on many drilling sites where pond water was sold for drilling and not for fracing. As I said, today in our industry pricing is half what it was. Leased land has gone from $1500.00 per acre and now @ 200.00 in some areas. Same with the water sold from ponds.
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#469669 - 04/16/17 01:33 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 04/11/17
Posts: 3
Loc: Harmon, Oklahoma
Thank you all for your information, I really appreciate it. I'm desperate to dispose of a lot of water, I have enough plus to frack a well or two. I pray everyday the Good Lord intervenes somehow with the water that is ruining my land and home. Thank you all again and if you have a solution and/or advice for me, please contact me. God Bless and Happy Easter

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#469670 - 04/16/17 02:38 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 11/24/15
Posts: 368
Loc: Missouri
Interesting thread. I was involved in mineral exploration for many years, mostly uranium, but I also worked for a coal company, for the BLM as a fluids geologist and an environmental protection specialist, and under contract to the AEC, ERDA, and DOE. One company I worked for got nailed twice for stealing water, each time from the same pond, and the pond belonged to a prominent rancher who was also a member of the State government. The same company drilled into a pipeline and started a fire that burned for several days. When the pipeline company shut down the pipeline, it ruptured. I once lived next door to an oil company landman in CO who was responsible for reclamation of a well site in WY that I was responsible for when I worked for BLM in WY. Small world.

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#469698 - 04/16/17 02:17 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Tbar]
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Registered: 04/11/17
Posts: 3
Loc: Harmon, Oklahoma
Thank you so much for your information. I do understand about damages etc. I'm to the point I will give the water away if someone, anyone will come get it. I pump an average of 500 gallon daily out of my basement and have for the last 3 years!! So if anyone wants water, please don't hesitate to contact me! An I'll take any advice you have. Thank you all again

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#472128 - 05/18/17 12:01 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 05/17/17
Posts: 2
Loc: Oklahoma
We were just approached with a proposal to use water for drilling. We are a little concerned because the contract is 6 pages long and demands "exclusive" rights for 6 years with no guarantees that they will actually use any water! It also gives the company carte blanc access to our land. We have plenty of water but this contract seems very invasive and gives us no protection. Has anyone else worked with Crescent Services and had any issues?
Thanks!

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#472144 - 05/18/17 06:15 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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My place is in Montague County just South of Oklahoma. A guy North of Bowie leased his water rights. They drilled and started pumping. Wells started going dry all around them. I would advise caution.
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#472145 - 05/18/17 07:29 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Canic]
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Registered: 05/14/11
Posts: 1399
Loc: Central Kansas
Originally Posted By: Canic
We were just approached with a proposal to use water for drilling. We are a little concerned because the contract is 6 pages long and demands "exclusive" rights for 6 years with no guarantees that they will actually use any water! It also gives the company carte blanc access to our land. We have plenty of water but this contract seems very invasive and gives us no protection. Has anyone else worked with Crescent Services and had any issues?
Thanks!


This is the first time I have heard of a contract structured like this. Usually they are structured on a per well basis. Unless there is something unique about the drilling situation in your area. I will do some asking around to see if anyone has heard of anything like this.

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#472147 - 05/18/17 07:47 AM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 09/19/14
Posts: 2009
Loc: Harrison Co. Texas
I would have a lawyer look things over first and then if I did not need the money I would not sign the deal. Or maybe a shorter time period to test the waters with how this company works with the land owners, so to speak. it's your property and they do need the water, so who is in the best seat here?
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#472219 - 05/18/17 07:29 PM Re: Selling Water For Drilling Operations [Re: Okie Bob]
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Registered: 05/17/17
Posts: 2
Loc: Oklahoma
Thanks for the thoughts on this! We have asked them to use a different contract and they have complied. Just went with three years giving them first right of refusal but no exclusive use. They also cannot go anywhere or have access to anything but where their lines and pumps are.
We have a great bass pond that we will not let them touch and the pond we recently built we were hoping to turn into a crappie home. They are going to dig it out a little deeper and use that so all in all, it will be better for them and eventually the crappie. We still had a lot of work to do before we stocked it so maybe we can sell a little water and end up with a great fishing spot as well.

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