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#469775 - 04/17/17 01:25 PM HSB
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Registered: 11/24/15
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What's considered a minimum pond size and depth for HSB? How do they compare to LMB as the top predator in a small pond? Would they be apt to take a small fly (and smash your tackle)?

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#469784 - 04/17/17 03:35 PM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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Well I'll take a stab at this.

! have a 1 acre pond. I have HSB and LMB and they seem to fair well together. Keep in mind HSB like more open water tho so they don't really interfere to much with LMB as far as in your face if you will.

I believe my top predator is still my LMB but my Larger HSB do eat smaller BG. I have one I just caught yesterday on a 3 inch BG and it was 6.5 pounds. My smaller HSB are also doing fine they are in the 14 inch range now but doing great. Look great!

My pond is only Max 10 feet at full pool. So mine are living and thriving in 8 foot of water for the most part.

The cool thing about HSB is they don't spawn on you so if you put 12 in there your not gonna end up with 1200 one day! lol. Heck I think even the late great George has them in a 1/4 acre pond and had some NICE ones!!! They are a great bonus fish and a blast to catch.

I cant say I have ever caught one on a top water bait but I know guys that have! I catch most of mine on shiny rooster tails and small spinners, a bobber with a shiner. If you feed them you can catch them on fish food once in a while.

They can also stand some pretty warm weather/water it gets pretty darn hot here in Arkansas and I have not had any die from the heat that I know of, but I do have air in my pond keeping things nice and full of D.O.

Hope this helps give them a try you wont regret it.
I believe Ewest lives in Missouri and he has some real nice HSB. I'm sure he could fill you in some too.

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#469845 - 04/18/17 02:53 PM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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I might try a few if I can find a supplier. The two fish trucks that regularly come here don't provide them. A supplier I got fish from late last year does sometimes sell them, but he came here last year only because he had a big sale on the other side of me and would be passing near here anyhow. So I suppose there's a slim chance this year.

Thanks for the help.

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#469848 - 04/18/17 03:14 PM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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I've ordered 25 HSB and 5 lb of FHM. The truck will be here tomorrow. So, we'll see.

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#469854 - 04/18/17 04:29 PM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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You will love them. If they go into the pond healthy, and if you don't over-stress them when you catch them in hot weather, they will grow into fantastic fun and delicious meals.

I have them in two of my ponds. I usually purchase 25 in the springtime in the 8-10 inch range. I put them in every second season. If you put some in now, you will be able to start harvesting this fall.

These days, fifteen go into my 0.7 acre pond and which is about 8-9 feet deep with an average of about a 4-5 foot average depth. The remaining 10 go into my 0.3 acre pond that has a maximum depth of 5-6 feet and has a steep V-shaped bottom that is flat enough on the bottom to seine with a 20-foot seine.

They take feed very readily. They grow fast. They co-exist extremely well with the other fish.

By fall mine are usually 18-22 inches. In my ponds they top out the second year at about 22 to 26 inches.

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#469858 - 04/18/17 07:26 PM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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The heat and the otters are my biggest concerns. The supplier thought I needed the FHM to keep the LMB off the HSB. But I think the otters got all the larger LMB. The few I've caught this year have been 10" or less, and I think he said the HSB would be 5 - 6". But the FHM won't hurt, as long as they're healthy and only FHM. The forecast is for 80 tomorrow - about the hotest day so far this year.

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#469862 - 04/18/17 08:37 PM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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I wouldn't be too concerned about the temperature. Lots of our friends in Texas raise HSB. One late Pond Boss friend, George, kept a crate with an oxygen bottle with him when fishing. When he got an HSB he would give it straight oxygen when the weather was hot and the fish was stressed from bringing it into shore. He wouldn't set it free until it was fully refreshed.

The other thing is that HSB are hybrids from striped bass and white bass. Both are native of very hot regions of the US.

Otters?? I've been lucky. I know a lot of people who have had disastrous problems with them, especially fish farmer friends. No good answers there.

The FHM won't hurt anything. They might help the LMB if you don't have a lot of bluegill. But a good feeding program with quality fish food would probably be more effective, especially if you have a reasonable bluegill base in the pond. The bluegill and the HSB will both take feed very well.
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#469879 - 04/19/17 01:11 AM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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I don't have as many BG as I had the last 2 yr, but I have bigger ones, and I think I have plenty relative to the number of LMB. The pond has no vegetation other than FA (just starting to show up now). I had shiners last year, but haven't caught any this year. I planted 30 yellow perch last year, but haven't seen anything of them since. The pond also has GSF, BC, and WC, but not many of these. I've caught only one BC and no WC this year. It also has visiting ducks and geese now and then and a GBH. I've added scud and Daphnia, but without shelter, the scud probably had no chance.

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#469887 - 04/19/17 07:45 AM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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I stocked 25 HSB in October of 2015. Ten of them were in the 6-8" range. I haven't seen one since. I've caught everything else I've stocked, including some larger GSH that have hit small jigs. I've heard throwing chicken liver out without a weight and letting it sink might do the trick. I'm hoping this spring to actually catch one. I don't think I've had an otter visit the pond. I still have a lot of fish hitting the food when the feeder goes off.
I think I've had a HSB on the line a few times, because the hit and fight are ferocious. But both times I've failed to land the fish, or even get a glimpse. I may throw a GSH on under a bobber out to the middle of the pond, and see if that works.
I hope they are still there. Ha
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#469893 - 04/19/17 09:45 AM Re: HSB [Re: SetterGuy]
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Try fishing for your HSB in the winter....they'll be the most aggressive winter predator in the pond for sure. Small jigs tipped with a 2" worm or swimming a jigging rap will get them.

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#471539 - 05/09/17 04:42 PM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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Setterguy a bobber with a GSH or a small BG will do the trick. I caught one Saturday that was almost 6 pounds. And I am sure if you have had fish on that you did not even get a look at but was pulling line hard I am sure they were your HSB. Nothing pulls like the HSB fright train..... smile

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#471563 - 05/09/17 11:37 PM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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Thanks for the info!

I'm going to try the chicken liver, and then I'll try a GSH. I've tried the jig with 2" of worm, the YP will hit it every time. I'll be up there next week, but I've got a bum ankle. Not sure if I'll fish or not. Just had the ankle rebuilt, and I don't want to mess it up..


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RES, YP, GS, FHM, HBG, SMB, and HSB..
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#471587 - 05/10/17 09:17 AM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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The hsb at my pond like the road runner jigs. I and change out the colors by simply changing the rubber type crappie trailers. Chunk and wind is my method lol
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#471590 - 05/10/17 09:44 AM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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Yes my smaller HSB like baby spinner baits and meps also. I actually caught one the other day on a Zoom Super Fluke.... I couldn't believe it.

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#471644 - 05/10/17 09:03 PM Re: HSB [Re: RC51]
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I've caught YP in my pond on 4" soft plastic jerk baits, and I've caught HSB on the same lure......
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#471667 - 05/11/17 08:22 AM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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The most reliable way I've had of hooking (read, NOT catching) is a cricket on a small hook on the bottom fishing for BG. My ultralight rig and 4lb test line are no match for a 3-4 lb HSB and they break off quickly.
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#471683 - 05/11/17 11:09 AM Re: HSB [Re: Turtlemtn]
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Pond studies on HSB (without feeders)indicate from stomach contents that HSB eat a lot of bugs , especially when under 3 yrs old.
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