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Thank you. I just finished page one.

I'll just keep poring the feed on.

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Yup, those are greenies. Likely some natural BG x GSF hybrids in there as well.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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Yes those are GSF. A few adult BG would be a good idea if you are going to add LMB.
















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Farmall,

Have you tried catching any? Maybe just a chunk of worm under a cork and toss it in the mix?


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Middle of page one Bill, he posted pictures of what he caught.


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Originally Posted By: snrub
Middle of page one Bill, he posted pictures of what he caught.


Thanks! I missed that post.

The GSF looked bigger in the underwater pics to me. Apparently, they are about the same size as the CNBG stockers?


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Yessir, green sunfish


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It's still a puzzle to me why I never caught anything all those years and fishing it multiple times. Yesterday as soon as I would chunk it in the water, it was hit. The only thing different is now they are being fed in one spot. I will say they are a right pretty little fish.



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Originally Posted By: Bill D.
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Middle of page one Bill, he posted pictures of what he caught.


Thanks! I missed that post.

The GSF looked bigger in the underwater pics to me. Apparently, they are about the same size as the CNBG stockers?




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They are a little bigger. As matter of fact, I'm not sure how many of the original stockers I have left. Everyone tells me they see few if any BG in my pictures.

I've been scratching my head trying to figure out what's going on. No wonder they've had no problem eating all those June bugs I've been chunking.

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It could be that the CNBG are schooling away from the more aggressive GSF. Have you tried tossing out some pellets in a couple three locations at the same time to see if you can find them?

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Farmall concerning you not catching any fish for years, now it is easy, and you don't know where the GSF came from. If the ones you caught are pretty representative of size, maybe the GSF did not get into the pond until the last year or so. It would have only taken a couple of fish, male and female, to spawn a lot of GSF fry.

I'm just speculating. But for the size of the caught GSF you were holding in your hand, they could have been spawned last year or the year before.


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Originally Posted By: Bill D.
It could be that the CNBG are schooling away from the more aggressive GSF. Have you tried tossing out some pellets in a couple three locations at the same time to see if you can find them?



No Bill, I haven't. I do know they will follow me though. I have walked to other areas of the pond and they follow me. I will get my Wife and Mom to feed, while I walk to a different area and feed.



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Originally Posted By: snrub
Farmall concerning you not catching any fish for years, now it is easy, and you don't know where the GSF came from. If the ones you caught are pretty representative of size, maybe the GSF did not get into the pond until the last year or so. It would have only taken a couple of fish, male and female, to spawn a lot of GSF fry.

I'm just speculating. But for the size of the caught GSF you were holding in your hand, they could have been spawned last year or the year before.


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That is certainly possible. My concern now is I don't want to over populate the pond. That's the biggest reason I didn't stock more than I did. I've heard it said for every fish you see, there are 20 you don't see. If that's the case, I've got a bunch of fish in there, but none of what we're seeing is big enough to catch and eat. Plus, I want some Tilapia to clean up my pond. I've got some thinking to do. Any Ideas?

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Yes a seine survey to see what you have. Then go from there depending on your goals. What you have , if we are guessing right, is not an unusual situation and can be managed - depending on your goals. The GSF can be managed by adding adult CNBG and a predator (LMB) if you want a BG/LMB/CC pond. It will take some time but the CNBG will out reproduce the GSF and the LMB will target the more fusion formed (shaped like a oval)GSF. Assuming that is your goal.
















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Thanks Ewest, when I started I didn't have a dead hard goal. Then I heard about George Glazener's Bluegill and Became fascinated. I was at one point wishing I hadn't stocked the channel cat. Now that I have green Sunfish too, I guess I have a Heinz 57 pond. Someone on this forum told me my goals would change and I be Dog if he wasn't right. We'll feed, fish and watch what it becomes. I'll try to share the expience with you guys.

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Those GSF make excellent bait for big catfish. If you are near one of the big lakes, you could build a holding cage and sell them for bait.

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They're also great bass/HSB bait. Put a 4 to 5 inch BG/CNBG/GSF on a hook and let it free swim.


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I'm still contemplating my next move. The more I read about them the less I hate them. I may just fatten them up and hope they breed with the BG.



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From what I have read and think I understand is that if the GSF get established early they can really wreck a persons stocking plans, particularly if that individual has high expectations and goals for the fishery and GSF is not one of those goals.

Inch for inch, they basically have the same mouth size as LMB the same size.

So the problem comes in if a person already has GSF 6 inches long in the pond and he stocks his pond with new 2" long FHM, BG and RES, he just put in the perfect size fish for the GSF to eat. In such a situation if the GSF are already well established and thick, almost none of the original stocked fish might survive. Thus any fast track fish goals may be completely thwarted. With the only result some fat and sassy GSF. Then if the person has not realized the mistake and six months later puts in his LMB and the GSF have grown to a size to promptly eat them, you can see how someone with trophy LMB goals could be sorely disappointed. Even if a few of the LMB escape the GSF and produce a LMB population, with GSF as pretty much the only remaining forage fish, his LMB trophy goals have been pretty much trashed by the GSF.

So that is the danger as I see it. But there are workarounds as my thread on 100% green sungish saga shows. But the result of my old pond, while perfectly acceptable for my second pond, would be a big disappointment for anyone wanting a trophy LMB pond.

So as long as you are good with the GSF being there and understand the management requirements to overcome their large aggressive mouth (namely that any fish you subsequently stock have to be big enough the GSF can't eat them), in my opinion you can still achieve a decent general fishing pond with them as part of it. But I have only been doing this pond management stuff for 4 years, so take that information for what it is worth to you.

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I figure what you described is exactly what happened with the fish I stocked in Feb.

I knew something happened to the FHM, but wasn't sure. I saw little ripples all over the pond for a week or so and then they were gone. I figure they wiped out my BG as well. My RES was 2" plus, so I'm hoping they survived.

I read your thread and enjoyed the journey. I'm reading the other thread within your thread as well.

I'm wondering how they are going to effect my Tilapia plans.



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farmallsc, GSF will do a number on tilapia fry. I'd make sure Todd knows you have them, and their size.


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farmallsc, GSF will do a number on tilapia fry. I'd make sure Todd knows you have them, and their size.


You should see what I posted on my pond thread. I caught several 9" GSF today.



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