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#467685 - 03/26/17 10:19 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Nope Tony; CNBG
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#467687 - 03/26/17 10:37 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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That is so weird to me, Dave. The size of the mouth, the pronounced hump/ledge on the chest, (below the index and middle fingers), the traces of blue striations on the cheeks, and the completely yellow pelvic fins all shout hybrid to me. Actually, the only thing missing is the subdued overall coloration, and I put that down to the murky water in the photos. No GSF in that pond?

I guess I will never grasp the entire copper nose identification thing.
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And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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#467688 - 03/26/17 10:44 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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CNBG - look like George's offspring to me.
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#467689 - 03/26/17 10:56 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Ewest, you don't find the mouth too large, even for a 2 lb gill? And the all yellow pelvics?

I've never even seen a live CNBG, so I have zero experience with them. But I do have access to a vast CNBG library. I will look at gape, and fin coloration, maybe educate myself a little better.
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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#467691 - 03/26/17 11:06 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Now, after looking at the photo again, I think the overall body shape favors a hybrid. George's CNBG tended to display the classic, round pie plate traits. This fish has the longer, stockier look.

Dave, your photos have totally freaked me out. Something isn't right in my HBG universe.


Edited by sprkplug (03/26/17 11:07 AM)
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If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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#467698 - 03/26/17 11:36 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Tony, I have no hybrids other than a very small # of GSF in this pond. I essentially had to start over a couple of years ago after a 5 year drought. 1.5 acres became a 1/4 acre mud hole with some small bass and some BG(probably a couple of GSF). Then the floods came and it filled. I restocked with about 500 small 2 or 3inch BG, 5 pounds of fatheads and a dozen 4 inch HSB. I have never stocked an actual HBG in it. Alan brought some of his mature CNBG girls and boys. The pedigree on that fish would probably be George to Overton to Allen to me. No fish of that size or color were in my pond until Al dumped them in.

I figure Josh's hand is about my size, maybe a little shorter. My hand measures 8 inches from the wrist to fingertips. I'm guesstimating that fish at approximately 15 or so inches and possibly 2 pounds. Biggest I've ever seen and I did nothing special or even talented for it to happen.

I went there yesterday to check on things and fish a little. I caught 4 awfully big yellowish bluegills, actually CNBG, but they weren't as big as that. Actually, other than a monster Green Sunfish, I doubt that I've ever had a 9 inch BG of any kind in it.


Edited by Dave Davidson1 (03/26/17 11:38 AM)
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#467701 - 03/26/17 12:58 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Very Nice bg , I would have guessed HBG...either way nice bg.
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#467702 - 03/26/17 01:43 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Not from my pond, thank goodness! But thought some might be interested. These photos were taken this week on the James River in Richmond VA. My dad went out with a friend, shown in photo's, to try for shad and stripers. Both running to spawn now. They caught this shad with a lamprey attached.




I fished the James for many years, and my dad even longer. Never seen an eel attached to any fish caught in the James like this. Very glad I don't have to worry about this in my little pond!


Edited by CMM (03/26/17 01:45 PM)
Edit Reason: I posted the same picture twice.
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#467704 - 03/26/17 01:53 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Me either. I never seen anything like that.
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#467707 - 03/26/17 01:56 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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And did you see the size of the shad! Can't wait to get out there in a couple of weeks and see if they are still running. I am really hoping for a nice striper or two on the fly rod! Maybe all the eels will be gone by then. I'm not really squeamish, but, YUCK.
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#467709 - 03/26/17 02:10 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Yes I did. I don't think I've ever caught one. I fish mostly for Crappie and Sunfish. Although I have caught a few Bass, and catfish on occasion
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#467712 - 03/26/17 02:24 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Don't know if you get a shad run in central tx farmallsc. They are ocean fish up in th rivers to spawn, then back to the salt. Fun on flyrod! Cmm
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#467713 - 03/26/17 02:33 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: CMM]
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Originally Posted By: CMM
Don't know if you get a shad run in central tx farmallsc. They are ocean fish up in th rivers to spawn, then back to the salt. Fun on flyrod! Cmm



I bet they would be fun on the fly. I haven't done salt water fishing as much as I would like. I did go to Alaska several years ago and went down to Valdez for halibut. Very fun, but expensive. It was a once in a lifetime and I really enjoyed being up there.
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#467719 - 03/26/17 05:32 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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I'm throwing in the towel...I have been unable to find any pics of a CNBG with that pelvic fin coloration and large mouth gape. I have questions, but irregardless that is an awesome sunfish!!
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If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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#467721 - 03/26/17 05:45 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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I thought it appeared to have some GSF genetics too...but I am pretty unfamiliar with CNBG way up here.
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#467726 - 03/26/17 06:43 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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+ 1 on the green sunfish cross ,my CNBG don't have that large of mouth

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#467732 - 03/26/17 08:43 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Pat, The big GSF cross I caught earlier in the year had the distinctive green spots on the jaw. And none of them have had any yellow coloration.

I actually caught 4 or 5 big CNBG's yesterday(credit the Stubby Steves)while tossing feed. All had the yellow colors that Al added to my pond.

Until the last week I've done very little fishing and then with small lures.

The Stubby Steves have really impressed me. I'm about through with night crawlers and fiberglass lures.

EDITING AND ADDING: Being a card carrying, certified, member of the GSF Fan Club, I would love to see some GSF or HBG in these fish. But there are too many nice ones with the distinctive yellow coloration. And, none of the regular bluegills have any sign of crossing.


Edited by Dave Davidson1 (03/26/17 08:56 PM)
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#467734 - 03/26/17 09:16 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: sprkplug]
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Originally Posted By: sprkplug
I'm throwing in the towel...I have been unable to find any pics of a CNBG with that pelvic fin coloration and large mouth gape. I have questions, but irregardless that is an awesome sunfish!!


Were you looking in the mirror when you threw in 'the towel?'
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#467735 - 03/26/17 09:18 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Dave, does the mouth gape appear large for a BG to you? I seem to remember someone here on the forum talking about gape on BG, but I can't find it. And that yellow pelvic fin.....I've seen CNBG with the light border, but the entire fin that bright yellow?

I completely acknowledge your GSF expertise, as well as the fact that you know your pond and I don't. AND, you know CNBG and I don't. I mean no disrespect, nor do I want to dispute what you're saying. But if I had seen that first photo without any info, I would've marked it hybrid in an instant.

You say the raw ingredients for hybrid gills, (BG and GSF), were already in the pond? Any chance the drought shrunk the spawning areas, leading to natural hybridization, followed by concentrating the forage to promote quick growth for the remaining larger fish?

That mouth gape...wow! I would love to see more pics of these fish, as whatever their pedigree they are amazing.
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.

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#467737 - 03/26/17 09:20 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: Sunil]
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Originally Posted By: Sunil
Originally Posted By: sprkplug
I'm throwing in the towel...I have been unable to find any pics of a CNBG with that pelvic fin coloration and large mouth gape. I have questions, but irregardless that is an awesome sunfish!!


Were you looking in the mirror when you threw in 'the towel?'


Be nice Sunil, I broke 4 inches off the tip of my go to St Croix this afternoon and I'm in mourning. cry
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.

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#467741 - 03/26/17 09:36 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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I'm just kidding, but it seems like you were the one who was questioning the breakdown of the fish, so there was no 'other' party to throw the towel at...
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#467749 - 03/26/17 11:24 PM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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CNBG very often have orange to yellow fins/tail and or white/light fin/tail edges. The mouth is big but that could be accounted for by how it is held or local adaptation. That looks just like one of George's fish from muddy water. I enlarged the pic and it has the typical scale pattern of CNBG on its nose area (where the copper band is). Also as best I can tell it has the correct number of fin rays.


Edited by ewest (03/26/17 11:30 PM)
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#467754 - 03/27/17 04:54 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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Tony, my condolences. Last year I bought a fly fishing combo from Cabelas; about $100.00. When I got home I put the 2 pieces together and promptly broke the tip off. It's still sitting in the corner of my garage. I need to toss it but...

One point of possible interest is that none of the smaller, 6 to 7 inch, fish I caught show the yellowish coloration.

I'm going to see if I can catch some more of those big yellow guys/girls and will post another pic. About time that I learned how to post pics anyway. Stay tuned.

My goal has always been to return fish to the water ASAP. Eating them would be like cannibalizing one of the Grandkids.


Edited by Dave Davidson1 (03/27/17 05:13 AM)
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#467762 - 03/27/17 07:09 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: teehjaeh57]
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I'm with you on not eating our project fish. I often get asked whether I ate the fish in the photo, and the answer is almost always no. Some people look at their fish as an investment, and as such they're looking for a return on that investment, by way of a mount for the wall or supper for the table. I see that, but my return is the satisfaction I get from watching them grow.

If they die of old age without becoming a filet for the plate, I'm perfectly Ok with that.

Ewest, I would love to study additional photos of CNBG with all yellow pelvics, can you post some photos? I've seen the tipped/bordered fins, but the solid color is new to me.

If we allow the large gape being due to local adaptation, then both Al's and George's fish should display the same trait, correct? I'm sure the adaptation requires more than one generation to manifest itself?

Yeah Dave, breaking the rod just plain sucked. But, it was my own fault. I was fishing an area with an excessive amount of topographical challenges! grin
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"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
PB answer: It depends.

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#467768 - 03/27/17 08:10 AM Re: 2017 Pond Boss Family Fishing Photos [Re: sprkplug]
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Originally Posted By: sprkplug

Be nice Sunil, I broke 4 inches off the tip of my go to St Croix this afternoon and I'm in mourning. cry


I hate it when that happens! If only 4 inches, I would just clean up the break and put a new tip on it. You can buy kits complete with a little tube of glue. I broke the tip off my favorite rod about 40 years ago and it's still one of my favorites today.
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