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I am looking for some information to help me make a educated decision on how to manage my new pond.
1st,how inferior are the second generation of hybrid bluegills? 2nd, How many generations does it take for them to revert back to green sunfish or bluegill?
Here is why I'm asking that question.
I built a new 2.5 acre pond last year. in September I stocked bluegill and Channel Cats from the Kentucky Department of Fish and Wildlife. I bought what was supposed to be 200 redear sunfish from someone else. this past May I stocked 400 largemouth bass fingerlings.
Turns out my redear where hybrid bluegills. They are 7-8 in long now and I'm seeing some about 3-4 in long just like them.And I am seeing some of the big ones and small ones still nesting! I am concerned that an inferior fish will take over my pond!I have read everything I could find about hybrid bluegill but nothing answer those 2 questions.
Thanks for any info, Kevin

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Excellent questions. See the information we have about this in the lengthy thread about hybrid bluegill (HGB). There is a post or link about FX generation HBG. See info from member called Meadowlark. He was following sequential or generational HBG in his ponds. He reported still good growth of FX HBG after a few years. However, he no longer posts on this forum.
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=256325#Post256325

I have a couple of local ponds that were stocked with just HBG as the only panfish and never restocked. From my experience it take numerous years (15-20) for later FX generations to look a lot like GSF. Faithful reporting members here have found that if the predation pressure is always 'strong', HBG are periodically added, and pure BG are also present the GSF revert problem is a lot less likely to occur and is not real noticeable or non-existent.

One problem is this forum is not real old so many do not have lots of long term experience with FX generations of HBG. Since we now have your baseline fish information, If you periodically come back here and report your results your information will definitely help other members.

Here are some of the links from the HBG Archive thread dealing with F generations of HBG.
Dealing with offspring aka F2, F3, F4, etc. generations from HBG:
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=332398#Post332398

http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=349990#Post349990

More FX discussion.
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=404439#Post404439


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Can you post pics ? If you put in BG first you may be ok as they may out produce the HBG. How many BG did the state put in?
















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Here is a funny one for you. You have HBG you are trying to get rid of. I have mostly pure BG and am actively saving my naturally occurring hybrids being produced in my sediment pond and putting them in my main pond to increase the HBG numbers.

After trying to get rid of the few HBG I had in the main pond, decided I like them a lot and now trying to increase numbers.

Go figure.

My goals (panfish fishery) are likely different than yours though.


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"I was there, during the HBG renaissance of 2016......."






And I was smiling.


"Forget pounds and ounces, I'm figuring displacement!"

If we accept that: MBG(+)FGSF(=)HBG(F1)
And we surmise that: BG(>)HBG(F1) while GSF(<)HBG(F1)
Would it hold true that: HBG(F1)(+)AM500(x)q.d.(=)1.5lbGRWT?
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I have been unable to post photos. the hybrids that were supposed to be redear stocked two weeks before the bluegill were stocked. I stocked 1000 bluegill. wiTh in one week of putting in the supposed to be redears I seen them on nest close to the bank these fish were only 2 inches long at the time. this spring and summer I see the big ones and little ones on Nest all the time. but I do not see any fry in the water.this is supposed to be a bass and bluegill pond. And the redear to control the grubs from getting in my bass.

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If your pond does not have any Redear in it, and you wanted them in there, I would start calling around to see who has them now and stock them asap. If you wait, the LMB will be larger and you will have to stock advanced sizes of RES to avoid being eaten by the LMB.

You say you are seeing both large and small HBG on the nests. Are you positive that they are all HBG and there are no GSF mixed in with them (the smaller ones)?

At a stocking rate of 160 LMB per acre and only 400 BG per acre, I am assuming that your goal for the pond is a large Bluegill pond, correct? How many CC did you stock?

To post a photo you have to use an on-line photo storage place like photobucket then you can link and post the photos here. There are instructions on how to do that in the archives. Here are several instructions or methods of how to post photos on this forum.
http://forums.pondboss.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=92443#Post92443

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120 channel cats . The pond is new and no outside fish can get in. The small fish on nest look exactly like the big ones.same color same shape. The number of bluegill, catfish, and bass was decided by the kyfw ( new pond program )the redear (hybrid) was chose by me.
The pond is nowhere near over populated yet I just did not plan to have hybrids in it because it's supposed to be a bass bluegill pond. I love the hybrids for now just afraid of the negative impact later. Everything I read says hybrid bluegills are for hybrid bluegill ponds and should be less than 1 acre and add a few bass to control population. What's gonna happen to my 2.5 acre bass bluegill pond because of them?

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After reading everyone else responses, another question comes to my mind. Is there any possibility that some fish from other water could have contaminated your pond? GSF can come down stream from the overflow of a pond above you or they can swim upstream up your overflow in water just a couple inches deep. Is there any nearby source where trash fish could have entered your pond perhaps during a heavy rain?

Esshup mentioned GSF in his post and I have seen 3" GSF making nests in 6" of water.

Sure would be helpful if you could get some pictures of your fish posted to be sure what you are actually looking at.

Edit: Great! You were posting the picture while I was typing. Looks like a very nice HBG to me. I would like that fish in my pond! Now if you could catch some of those 3" fish that are nesting and get a picture...............

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My guess is the 3-4 inch fish you see are BG (not HBG) and in a new pond they can and will spawn at 4 inches. See if you can get pics of the HBG and the 3-4 inch fish. It would help if you provided the type , size , number and stock date of each species stocked.
















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To sample your smaller YOY fish, BG, HBG and GSF will readily go into a baited minnow trap. Most minnow traps have a 1" opening and you can get fish up to 2-3" to go in. If you enlarge the opening to 1.5-2" then you can get some larger fish to go in. Shallow water with the top of the trap anywhere from just being covered to about a foot deep. Use dog food chunks, wadded up bread or fish pellet food for bait. Position trap horizontal to shore line. Check 15 to 30 minutes after setting it in the water.


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Here's one about 5"

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I had to go fishing .Here's a small one. I'm not seeing any much smaller than that.

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Where did you get those hybrids? Not HBG IMO.


Georgia Giants from various PM members photos and threads.










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Allen 's fish farm. Allen ky
I can't get in touch with them this year. Phone number is disconnected

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Callahan's pictured fish do look similar to Georgia Giant hybrids. They are likely some other cross than the normal BG X GSF hybrid. It would be interesting to know what the parents were.


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That's the fish truck. I don't Facebook. The phone number I have don't work. I met them at my local southern states

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This pic is from early may.
I don't see much of them
They were barely more than fry when I released them

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This was the redear /hybrid the day I got them from the fish truck

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First above is a BG.
Neither of those fish look like the one you posted earlier .

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Ewest, a client put some GG in his pond a few years back and he has one of those "fish that ran into a wall" swimming around in his pond too. It's about 10" long.


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