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See how the LMBs respond to gizzard shad ... dropped some in and saw the LMBs beeline for them.
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are you concerned about the gizzard shad becoming to big and abundant in your pond?
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are you concerned about the gizzard shad becoming to big and abundant in your pond? I'm not concerned about these gizzards becoming too big or too abundant because; - I stocked only 2 dozen with all but 2 being 6" and smaller - The LMBs are large enough to eat all 2 dozen gizzards True it is a risk because maybe the LMBs won't find the gizzards or the gizzards will super reproduce or something, but I think the gizzards if not gone already will be gone before Summer is up. The water clarity makes it difficult for their bright shiny scales to hide in our pond. I dropped the gizzards in to give the bass a different type of meal - shape and taste. We'll see what happens ...
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you could do like I do with the mullet I add, cut the tail fins off to make them nearly wriggling target rather than an evasive one.
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I don't know of any Northern ponds that have LMB enough to keep Gizzard Shad under control. All it takes is 2 to survive.
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I'm interested in how this goes.... All I know is what you may think is a small change can end up having a big impact on your pond!! I found that out.... I hope it works out for ya I guess will see in a couple years.... I've heard ugly story after ugly story on them shad and how they got so big and took over it was crazy... Now I heard Threadfin Shad are ok as they don't get quite as big as GS I guess? Good luck man..... RC P.S. I guess if all else fails you could always go Fly Rod fishing for GS!!!
The only difference between a rut and a Grave is the depth. So get up get out of that rut and get moving!! Time to work!!
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Correct but Threadfin Shad don't live year to year in the North.
That's what the problem is when people only list "USA" as their location. They can't receive correct information for their area as the correct recommendations will vary depending where in the "USA" they live.
A state is all that is really necessary, not an exact address.
Texas is so big, and so varied in climate/soil conditions that East Texas is different from West Texas, and North Texas could be different than the Galveston, Texas area.
Even in Northern States, there are differences. Here in Indiana, LMB are spawning down south, but it's still too cold up here in the North...
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I'm interested in how this goes.... All I know is what you may think is a small change can end up having a big impact on your pond!! I found that out.... I hope it works out for ya I guess will see in a couple years.... I've heard ugly story after ugly story on them shad and how they got so big and took over it was crazy... Now I heard Threadfin Shad are ok as they don't get quite as big as GS I guess? Good luck man..... RC P.S. I guess if all else fails you could always go Fly Rod fishing for GS!!! Yeah we'll see the outcome in a couple of years. Obviously I couldn't know for certain, but everything considered I bet we'll not see schools of gizzards in a couple of years. Given our pond layout, clarity, and LMB population I feel pretty good that the gizzards won't last long enough to reproduce. The main reason the gizzards were added were due to their larger size over threadfin, wanting the large LMB to have a meal that may promote further growth more so than the smaller forage.
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Basslover, with your water clarity and lack of phytoplankton for gizzards to live on, I think you will be safe from an explosion of oily, nasty fish...lol
I doubt Threadfin would survive there either, unless getting LOTS of Ag Lime in the watershed and starting a bloom. Given the size and health of your fish, the almost perfect plant life and distribution that provides areas for the base of the food chain to grow in, I don't think I'd want a bloom starting in your pond, unless it was a very slight bloom.
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Was on the dock and heard some movement across the pond down a ways in the leaf litter. Eventually found a little movement with the naked eye, enough to warrant walking around to see what I could see (knowing likely would be gone by the time I made it over there). Found these two black racers doing the wild thing - yup mating season in full swing! Also spotted this anole.
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basslover, thank you for sharing so much. Your pictures, videos, and story have been very interesting and educational. I wish my ponds were as clear, I'd love to scuba dive in your pond and watch for fish.
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Awesome pond basslover. I really hope to have just a portion of the success that you have had. That type of success would be so gratifying and make it all so worth it. I am very envious of your pond as I bet most are. I started will a clean slate meaning I dug my 1 acre but have no trees, grass or anything else there besides the few things I have made artificially.
1 1/4 acre L shaped pond, 6 to 9 ft deep. Finished 7/7/16. Stocked with LMB, HBG, BG, CNBG, RES, FHM. Can't wait to fish it. GO SAINTS!!!
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man oh man those are some purty YP!! Let us know when/where/depth and water temps when you see ribbons!
are you still seeing crayfish?
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What kind of Perch are those?
Nvm. Just looked them up.
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man oh man those are some purty YP!! Let us know when/where/depth and water temps when you see ribbons!
are you still seeing crayfish? Crayfish are in the leaf litter still. The yellow perch ribbons I haven't seen, but I didn't go looking for them, I just didn't see any in the obvious places in front of my face the couple of minutes I fished. Water temp was 59.5. Cody Note: At a water temp of 59F most of the YP eggs have been laid and some probably hatched by now.
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What kind of Perch are those?
Nvm. Just looked them up. These perch are the RAINMAN PERCH variety. Or Yellow Perch as commonly known.
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You're so blessed to have your water clarity and the near perfect plant life for those YO to survive all the monster predators that would love to munch on them!!!
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