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Hollywood, your telling me the deer in NY eat chicory and clover up there , I use the same for ground cover around the pond. I do it for the deer, turkey, bees and to stop erosion on a hill At the pond. I have to water mine in the summer. Gets pretty hot and dry here in the summer. But not much snow, maybe an inch or so each year. And like others here, I have lost some big oaks and seeing the same in some of my Pine forest. I had a forestry guy out, my thinking was pine beetles, but nope, it was drought. Tracy You're telling me... You got hills? There little hills Ha! Heck, our button bucks would have to stoop down to look at your ten pointers... You may be right about that lol Tracy
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Hollywood, I know u have herd EVERYTHING is bigger in TEXAS Tracy
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Hollywood, I know u have herd EVERYTHING is bigger in TEXAS Tracy I believe it. I've met some of your women...
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Hard maples are premium timber, so I assume you have soft maples.
Nope, sugar maples. A few very nice 30"+ diameter trees. Lots in the 12-18". But hundreds and hundreds in the 4"< I've always head sugar maples are the end of the line for a hardwood forest evolution. They will eventually take over the oaks and hickories. Leafing out a bit earlier, and providing so much shade. However they produce no nut crop for wildlife. So that a hard maple forest will be game free, as far as deer are concerned.
9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep. RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these. I think that's about all I should put in my little pond. Otter attack in 2023
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Interesting. I have some points to make with the forester when he comes back. He's been telling me to cut out all the smaller ones, if I want to get more deer..
9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep. RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these. I think that's about all I should put in my little pond. Otter attack in 2023
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My experience is that you may want to leave it alone with the forester, or just say that some web sites suggest these trees make good brows for deer, and then see how he responds. I find some foresters do not like to be challenged.
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I'm not a real "in your face" type guy. I'll just mention it.. If I can get him to come back out. I'm not a big land holder.
9 yr old pond, 1 ac, 15' deep. RES, YP, GS, FHM (no longer), HBG (going away), SMB, and HSB (only one seen in 5 yrs) Restocked HSB (2020) Have seen one of these. I think that's about all I should put in my little pond. Otter attack in 2023
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It only takes a few acres of prime habitat to draw in deer from the area. Food, water, cover, and a feeling of security. A couple acres of evergreens can hold a good herd of deer during daylight hours if this is the best cover in an area.
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Project is filling nicely, gaining about 3 inches a day. Couple more feet to full...
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Hollywood, that makes me sad about the ash. A good 80 percent of our trees are ash, so between the sirex wood wasps and the EAB, I'm not going to have much left. The American Elms are long gone.
I do tend to my land for maximum habitat by cycling mowing and clearing and keeping some areas wooded. I only have 16 acres so I can more or less keep up with it, but this past year it got away from me. I do most by hand and the rest with a brush blade on a weed eater and a crappy Ferguson tractor on loan from church.
We have an amazing variety of birds that we enjoy watching and that is a lot of the motivation on cycling the habitat.
A few years ago some birders came here to see a barn owl I spotted, and they about passed out from ecstasy. Prime habitat for sure!
I do tap the maples for syrup so they are of good use. I will probably convert the ash to heat, but it will be too much to use.
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In Rockford, Illinois near me the streets are/were lined with ash. The city paid to remove, IIRC, 7000 in 2015 to prevent the spread. All destroyed. Keeping for firewood was not allowed. Can't say I disagree with that decision but what a shame. My sis paid almost $1K to have a dead one cut and removed at her place in a Chicago suburb. Same thing, has to be destroyed, can't keep it for firewood.
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Hollywood, I know u have herd EVERYTHING is bigger in TEXAS Tracy I believe it. I've met some of your women... Hollywood, Thanks for the laugh and the smile this morning, that was funny. Thumbs up Tracy
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Hollywood, I know u have herd EVERYTHING is bigger in TEXAS Tracy I believe it. I've met some of your women... Hollywood, Thanks for the laugh and the smile this morning, that was funny. Thumbs up Tracy Glad you laughed! The gal I mistook for Hoss Cartwright was NOT amused...
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Nice steady fill, coming up steadily. Near 0 lows have slowed the incoming water and it has more area to fill. Probably about an inch to 1.5 a day now.
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About four inches from the top. Will be flowing out by the time I'm back from vacation. This started out as a small bait pond, as I'm sure many do. Then... You stare at it too long... See something better... Start digging again... This time- I'm done!
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Damn, that is looking good!
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Damn, that is looking good! Thanks! Planning a small deck on the flat to the right, another by the trees. Dive in, swim across and back out. Raft somewhere in the middle. FHM and structure this year and stock it in the fall... Be a pond before long! Glad I stretched this one while I was at it. Added enough to increase its potential...
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Back from vacation to a full pond. Got this pic before the snow started. Sub zero on the way... But I'm dreaming of a nap on a float here...
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wow! very very nice. A great ice skating spot!
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Very nice shape and backdrop!
If pigs could fly bacon would be harder to come by and there would be a lot of damaged trees.
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Very nice shape and backdrop! Thank you! I'm pleased with it, theres only so much you can do given the terrain I'm working with. Came back from vacation to find my germinated chestnuts are now little seedlings. Got 140 in the dirt so far, thought I'd have 250 this year, but the germination rate seems less than last year. Probably wind up with 200 to plant this spring.
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Two weeks later... Little chestnut trees grow quickly! 197 potted so far, might get another 20 by the time the rest germinate.
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They certainly like your conditions! I would need to move about 10 miles to my south to get more acid soils which they prefer. Good luck with keeping those pesky deer off of them!
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